Thursday, January 31, 2008

Podcast #38

Episode 4.1: "The Beginning of the End"

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52 Comments:

Anonymous paul in vegas said...

the first thing that sticks in my mind is what a letdown the "scenes from next week" was

10:14 PM  
Blogger radiant_redhead said...

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10:24 PM  
Blogger radiant_redhead said...

damn it!! wtf is going on with this story??

Obviously 6 people get off the island. We know that three of them are Jack, Kate, and Hurley.

But what is going on with this whole intense conspiracy language of "Not telling anyone"? What group of people is supressing the Oceanic Six from being honest?

I must admit that even though I still really trust Locke's character, he was portrayed so shadily in this episode. I was fairly upset about that...but I'm glad that Ben is with Locke now...this could get very interesting.

I am leaning toward the theory that Jacob is Smokey. How else could that cabin have moved like that?? And why did it seem that there were two people in that cabin? One in the chair and one peeking out the window.

and another thing: what the fuck is up with Charlie appearing to Hurley like that??? I want to believe that Hurley isn't insane and that somehow Charlie is actually making himself visible to Hurley on his own.

when Charlie tells Hurley, "They need your help." I'm assuming he's talking about the other people on the island that were left behind.

Can I admit to utter confusion??

This season premiere just didn't seem as mind-blowing as last season's when we saw the Others' real habitat.

10:26 PM  
Blogger Justin said...

I nominate that for "worst promo ever"

10:29 PM  
Blogger stephen said...

When Naomi went missing, I was sure Locke stashed her body somewhere and the blood trail was his, on account of his gunshot wound. I was expecting Jack to follow it and Locke to ambush him.

And how did Hurley's fellow crazy see Charlie?

10:30 PM  
Anonymous Perry said...

Smokey hitched a ride on the freighter with Hurley and is following him around so he can get his hands on that money.

10:44 PM  
Blogger mark said...

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12:01 AM  
Blogger mark said...

I'm intrigued by how the same creepy phenomena that was previously restricted to the island is now happening back home. On the island, Hurley's "visions" could be explained with reference to Smokey (e.g. Dave). But (imaginary) Dave could be seen only by Hurley... Off-island, (imaginary) Charlie can be seen, not only by Hurley, but also by others.

Of course, I'm not buying that "Smokey followed them home." I think the writers just love doing wacky shit, even if they can't explain it, and couldn't pass up the opportunity to have another episode with Dominic Monaghan. Why are they such careless writers?

12:02 AM  
Blogger David3 said...

I get the feeling that a latge portion of next week may be back story on the boat people, possibly even flashbacks. Therefore, to show that in the promo, would probably give too much away.

5:30 AM  
Blogger David3 said...

Some interesting things:

Jack's dad was in the chair inside Jacob's shack.

In the scene with Charlie swimming, freeze frame it, just before he breaks the glass, his hand says "they need you".

When Hurley wrecks his car, you see a very quick shot of Hurley's former boss Randy videotaping the accident. Apparently he no longer works for the box company.

5:36 AM  
Blogger Jeri said...

Radiant-
I thought it was Locke in the cabin with Jacob - and that's whose eye we saw through the window?

anyone else think that?

I will withhold judgement on this episode, was it originally going to be a 2 hour premiere like all the others? I hope so.

5:40 AM  
Blogger Justin said...

The pilot was 2 hours, but Man of Science, Man of Faith and A Tale of 2 Cities were both regular 1 hour episodes.

5:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

heya guys
great episode

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check out this theory
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http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=87153

ortiz 34
formerly jlk(john lockes kidney)

6:43 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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6:44 AM  
Anonymous Jen said...

Oh. Man.

I assume that Hurley imagined his fellow inmate telling him about Charlie.

Christian? Really? Are we sure?

7:36 AM  
OpenID golexis said...

So, C&J, we heard the whispers in the first episode. So much for your predictions, haha.

I find it interesting the Hurley made it off the island even though he was on Team Locke...

I can tell the producers are taking advantage of knowing the end date and not fucking around with filler. All more disappointing it is that we're only getting 8 (now 7!) new eps.

LOST is back and is feels so right.

8:41 AM  
Anonymous Krys said...

Such a good episode. I need to watch that shit again. So much that I didn't catch. I can't wait to hear what C+J thought about it.

I'm thinking that The 6 did something to betray their fellow losties to get off the island and they're being haunted by it.

And what's up with that guy that visited Hurley in the hospital? Obviously he wasn't really with Oceanic, so if Hurley had gone with him, where whould he have taken him?

I didn't want to believe that it was Christian in the cabin cause that makes no damn sense but here's a cap:
http://i91
.photobucket.com/albums/k284
/whitebrowgigs/facecabin.png

Also, considering the last Mobisode, it looks like Christian will be more involved that I would have thought.

ugh It's all too much.

10:44 AM  
Blogger radiant_redhead said...

it IS all too much!

though I am also very glad to have heard the whispers again...is this a Jacob thing since it happened before his cabin scene?

I also find it intriguing that Hurley ended off the island even though he decided to follow Locke.

and, oh yeah...wtf is up with Naomi's sister? why would they bring that kind of shit up unless they are going to bring it into the mix?

finally...did anyone watch Eli Stone after LOST to see what the whole Oceanic message was? I had to bounce.

1:10 PM  
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1:14 PM  
Anonymous jen said...

wow. yeah...that is mos def Christian. Huh. Scary shit.

1:21 PM  
Blogger radnac said...

I can't get that frickin' Oceanic representative out of my head!!
His gaze was so arresting that it pierced through my spine and sucked the life out of my soul until I was reduced to the likes of a two-year-old child, sucking on my thumb and chills running up and down my whole body...

Okay, maybe an exaggeration... but boy was he friggin' creeepy!

http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season4/4x01/normal_4x01cap-0350.jpg

1:22 PM  
Anonymous vicki h. said...

hi.
great episode. can't wait for the podcast.......
vicki h.

3:36 PM  
Anonymous vicki h. said...

watch out for spoilers! i heard they are all over. ep401 thru 404 leaked. so if you don't want to be spoiled watch the blogs, forums, etc. you go on!

3:37 PM  
Anonymous paul in vegas said...

did anyone see that 80's horror movie called "the believers" starring martin sheen? the "oceanic representative" reminds me of the malevolent man with the crazy eyes from that flick.

2:55 AM  
Anonymous Julia said...

Anyone else think the person who popped up at the window was Desmond? It looked like him to me, but then I too was confused by this episode.

5:40 AM  
Blogger radnac said...

Paul,

did you mean this guy?

http://tinyurl.com/3aqgjy

6:55 AM  
Blogger Janic said...

The death of Charly was definitely a challenge for Jorge Garcia and Emilie de Ravin acting wise. Great job on Jorges part, over the whole episode... Emilie de Ravin.. not so much ;)

8:16 AM  
Anonymous MekareQ said...

MekareQ's really crazy theory:

The boat people are only going to take six people from the island. Due to a lack of supplies, or not enough room, or whatever, they will only be willing to take six people.

The Losties will talk among themselves, and decide who would be best to get off the island. Who would be most likely to enable the rest to come home? And, who would need to get off the island the most?

Jack is obvious, everyone would trust him to save the rest.

Kate would be let go in order to help her gain her freedom. Everyone is aware that she is a fugitive. At this point our Losties are family, and they would probably want Kate to have an opportunity to get away, which would be easier from the freighter than from a state-funded rescue party. She had a doctored passport in season one, at that point she was judged harshly for having it, at this point I wouldn't be surprised if the other Losties insisted she took it.

Why Hurley? I think that comes back to the Lottery. Why else have him mention it to Bernard? Their search may need to be funded, and the only way Hurley's funds become available (despite his belief they will be gone) is if Hurley goes home. I could see Desmond throwing out the phrase "With enough Money and Time..." etc.

I hereby submit my theory that Sun is one of the Oceanic Six, I think it's very likely her pregnant status bumps her to the top of the list, which leaves two unaccounted for.

I'm hypothesizing that the Oceanic Six are people who either have the most to offer in bringing the others home, or the most desperate need to get off the island.

So why don't they get the rest home? I don't know, I think that there is a block which prevents them from returning or rescuing the left-behinds. I think this is why we see an increase in Jack's desperation and his deterioating sanity.

Just thrown together, anyone have anything to add? Any other theories? If anyone is willing to take my theory and hypothesize the other Oceanics?

2:09 PM  
Anonymous paul in vegas said...

Radnac,
YES!!!
That's him!
He gave me nightmares many years ago. After seeing his pic again, I may have another one tonight.
-Paul

4:57 PM  
Anonymous Nick said...

OMG guys DarkUFO has posted on imdb that his source at ABC is tellling him that the strike is almost over and there is a chance that they will be able to complete all 16 episodes!!!!!!!!!!!

Kristin from eOnline s also saying the same http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/index.jsp?uuid=77f5e2d3-ff3f-4d82-95a1-35421ae4b07a

Oh go please let this be true.

6:55 PM  
Anonymous Frediemac1 said...

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10:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey guys any Idea when the Podcast will be up????????????

10:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

not to be a dick, but...

dude, frediemac1... yeah you... if you're gonna post something that is even REMOTELY close to a spoiler, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, label your posting as a spoiler so anyone who wants to remain spoiler free can scroll past your comment...
i wanted to go into next week as fresh as possible. guess not. thanks


nick,
the ny times is also saying the strike is near an end... http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/02/business/media/02cnd-writers.html?ei=5065&en=d216cf201ee94ac2&ex=1202619600&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print

10:38 PM  
Anonymous perry said...

It is just me or didn't they say the exact same thing about the strike ending back in mid December?

6:56 AM  
Blogger Justin said...

Please don't post real spoilers.

7:55 AM  
Anonymous paul in vegas said...

woohoo!

8:16 AM  
Anonymous 420brownie said...

Can't wait to listen to the new show- awesome to get it out so quickly guys! I've watched the epi twice and overall I really liked it. I'm really liking the flash forwards, and I think it's cool that they continue to intermingle connections, i.e. Big Mike/Ana Lucia/Hurley.

I think Charlie's appearance to Hurley was a projection of the island. It wants the "6" back.

There's a screen pic going around that clearly shows that it's Christian in the rocking chair in Jacob's cabin.

I'm thinking it was Locke's eye we saw through the window in Jacob's cabin.

david3- cool tidbits, love all the connections.

nick- awesome if true about writer's strike.

Off to listen, thanks Claude and Justin!!

9:51 AM  
Anonymous 420brownie said...

Oh yeah, I'm sticking to my no spolier mode this year, not even watching "next on lost" or the previews that are running now. If I'm in the room when a preview runs, I either run out of the room or hit mute on the remote and turn away. Sick? Probably. Worth it? Most definitely.

9:53 AM  
Blogger stephen said...

Well the next week on lost last week revealed like the next word the parachute guy says to jack.

10:26 AM  
Blogger ash said...

Ever since last year's "everything will change" promos I've avoided them like the plague. It's so much better not knowing what to expect.

I think this time the strike is really over, I'm hoping we can get the 16, if not now then hopefully in september but please don't make us wait till next year!

12:51 PM  
Blogger FeFeMartini said...

I'm super excited for the new podcast!!! ^_^

9:26 AM  
Blogger mark said...

It's so great hearing you guys talk about a new episode! I'm so used to listening to seasons 1 & 2 RETROSPECTIVES... Look forward to listening to some fresh podcasts from you for the next couple of weeks!

10:27 AM  
Blogger mark said...

Oh, and everyone, don't forget to vote tomorrow (for Barack Obama)!

10:38 AM  
Blogger ji-unit said...

i agree...that whole cannonball thing was so akward. wtf?

2:37 PM  
Blogger Jeri said...

Thank you for the 'no Spoilers' support!
There are only a few sites to browse where you can stay blissfully free of them.

My 6 change every time I think about it, but...

If Ben was one, well... that would just be karmic justice.
I can't think of anyone who would be more miserable, so I go with that.

7:27 PM  
Blogger Jeri said...

Ohhh- I think that I have the answer to the podcast Treasure Hunt!

Oceanic 6-
I could see Sawyer dying on the island, either because he went really bad, or really good and helped them get off somehow.

Remember:
Just because Desmond saw Claire get an a helicopter does not mean that it was a GOOD helicopter. The twist could be that Charlie assured a bad fate for her...

10:03 AM  
Anonymous Rebelle said...

MMMAN so Glad Lost Lowdown is BAAACK!! I LOVE you guys

2:38 AM  
Anonymous 420brownie said...

Great podcast guys, as usual, yawn!!

A few random thoughts:

As to the oceanic 6, what their story is and what the world knows about them- Naomi said that the media had reported the plane found, at the bottom of the ocean, even had footage, right? That's the story, and the "6" were the miraculous survivors of the crash into the ocean.

Can't decide if their secrecy about the island is self-imposed or the result of a deal they've cut, or a combination of both.

The six- Kate, Jack, Hurley, Sawyer, Michael, Walt. Michael and Walt are on the freighter- the coordinates Ben gave him put them on a direct path to it.

The freighter- the militant-if you will- faction of the Hanso foundation, looking to re-establish control of the island.

4:04 PM  
Blogger stephen said...

Are you saying that Ben is in cahoots with the neo-Dharmaites?

6:29 PM  
Anonymous 420brownie said...

No, I think he genuinely believes that the folks on the freighter are bad news. I think he's known about its existence for quite some time (perhaps even knew it was on the way or was approaching) and just figured he'd let Michael and Walt become their problem instead of his.

7:48 PM  
Anonymous 420brownie said...

I should say "bad news" to Ben as in they are not allied or share the same agenda; not sure if they're really bad.

7:52 PM  
Anonymous 420brownie said...

Just got around to watching the first four "mobisodes". I thought the one with Christian was actually really well done and obviously opens up a lot of new questions. Won't get too much into it cuz it's prolly all been discussed.

Oh, the one with Juliette at the barracks (the scene from season 3 premiere), pretty obvious what's in the envelope, right? Ben's x-rays. Did we ever see that old woman in any of the other scenes with Ben's group, i.e. on the magical island walking tour?

Anyway, gotta say, much more impressed with the mobisodes than I thought I'd be.

7:59 PM  

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