Wednesday, May 09, 2007

Podcast #32

Episode 3.20: "The Man Behind the Curtain"

MP3 File


Blogger Claude said...

Holy Shit!

5/09/2007 08:07:00 PM  
Blogger radiant_redhead said...

How can this be?????????????

Locke can not be dead!

Jacob has to heal him! We have to find out that Locke will be healed!

How can the show be LOST without Locke?

I am sooooooooo surprised! I didn't expect that...well, duh, noone did!

I guess everyone saw Jacob in the chair right after Ben fell backward. He has dark shoulder-length hair...that's all I can say.

He is REAL and he wants help and he will save Locke!!!!!!!!!!!!

Locke must LIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

5/09/2007 08:08:00 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

Oh my fucking god!!!!

WIll there be a jesus ressurection type thing going on?


5/09/2007 08:11:00 PM  
Anonymous jane doe said...

but Locke has magical healing powers! he CANNOT be dead... quick someone say this was just a dream.

if they really kill him off, i will be said, but i will say, bravo, show. bravo! i didn't think you had the cajones.

all i have to say about Jacob: what the fucking fuck???

5/09/2007 08:14:00 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

jane doe said:

all i have to say about Jacob: what the fucking fuck???

Yes, it seems the producers gave us another BullShit Revelation where they technically show you who Jacob is (barely), but leave you with a million more questions.
If someone asked me who or what Jacob is, I still would have no idea how to respond.

5/09/2007 08:18:00 PM  
Blogger Claude said...

If Ben (read: the writers) wanted Locke dead, Ben would have shot him in the head.

Locke is NOT dead. He can totally heal from that stomach wound. Great TV, though...

5/09/2007 08:18:00 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

I'll bet John Locke shows up for the season finale.

5/09/2007 08:21:00 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

claude are you on the east coast right now?

5/09/2007 08:22:00 PM  
Anonymous bob m. said... took the words right out of my mouth "Holy Shit"

5/09/2007 08:34:00 PM  
Blogger Claude said...


Nope. It has even come on here on the west coast yet.But a little friends named bittorrent helps me get it early. Gotta love the internet.

5/09/2007 08:36:00 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...


5/09/2007 08:41:00 PM  
Anonymous jane doe said...

anybody have any thoughts on alex's little scene giving locke the gun? did she know what ben was planning, or was she just trying to help locke and snub her dad?

ALSO: earth to Jack, since when did you become monarch of the Lostie camp wherein it was up to solely you to come with a plan? i think a little collaboration with peeps like sayid would have been helpful. but no. so here was have it, jack is (for now) working with juliet against the Others, and thus should be back in everyone's good graces, but I'm still hating on him. It must be his smug sense of entitlement and importance..

5/09/2007 08:45:00 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

jane doe,
I can agree with you more about jack.

so what the fuck is with kate's attitude? and why didn't she follow jack and juliet? she always follows where she isn't wanted. why did she decide to all of a sudden stay put?

5/09/2007 08:50:00 PM  
Anonymous jane doe said...


yeah it seemed like maybe jack and jules eventually did tell kate their secret, because kate didn't seem pissed at all with the tape revelation, and was actually defending jack to the rest. so i think she must have known... otherwise it's just her mancrush on jack and that is just not enough character motivation for me to understand.. but when it comes to the lurrrve triangle, i guess that's just how kate rolls

5/09/2007 08:56:00 PM  
Blogger radiant_redhead said...

I think we won't see Locke until next season.

I know it's horrible, but it's like so many other things: they get put off for suspense!

Though, I'm not keeping it definite...maybe that's the "Snake in the Mailbox"...maybe Locke will appear to everyone in a cloud and be like,
and everyone will be like,
"Look's like there's a new boss in town!"

And I'd be like: "Locke, what is going on?"

5/09/2007 09:05:00 PM  
Blogger radiant_redhead said...

By the way...we FINALLY heard the whispers again!

It took 20 episodes, but we got them again!

SUPER!!!...or should I say, "super"

5/09/2007 09:09:00 PM  
Anonymous jane doe said...

so... claude and justin, the whispers are back. i guess ya'll spoke too soon... (granted it was in a flashback, but i think the fact that they were in the show means they certainly won't be a forgotten plot line... at least not yet)

how about locke and that dust circle, huh? the writer's obviously think it was important, as did locke. is the dust what jacob is made out of? is it the smoke monster? is it just a decorative gravel arrangement??

5/09/2007 09:13:00 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

so jacob is a shapeshifter? i did not see rené aubejonois in the credits.

5/09/2007 09:16:00 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

i think it's decorative. i think i sawa gnome.

5/09/2007 09:16:00 PM  
Anonymous jane doe said...

evangeline lilly on jimmy kimmel tonight says the season finale gave her goosebumps when she found out what it was and that she usually doesn't get that into the major reveals, so it must be big. i'm pumped!

5/09/2007 09:36:00 PM  
Blogger Lara said...

So I have a couple reactions. When Locke pummeled Mikael I said "It's about time he grew some f-ing balls."
Kate needs to get over herself. Jack doesn’t want her anymore, she needs to live with her decision and pull the stick out of her a$$.
So how did Ben go from puny boy joining the Others to leader of the Others. And now we learn that Ben has ‘daddy issues’ along with all the Losties. Sayid has ‘I used to torture people’ issues but every other Lostie has daddy issues. And a theme seems to be forming around killing your father. I am looking at you Ben, Kate, Locke (though he used Sawyer to do it)

P.S. I thought Jacob looked like Locke with a wig.

5/09/2007 09:56:00 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

what was with the picture of the dog in jacob's house?

5/09/2007 10:02:00 PM  
Blogger Claude said...


5/09/2007 10:18:00 PM  
Blogger brodieman3847 said...

The episode was great! I was so happy Locke beat the shit out of Mikhael. But why didn't Mikhael put up a fight? He seemed to hold his own with Jin? I know Locke may have caught him off guard but I expected more out of him. And Why hasn't Richard aged that much? He looks the same as he did when he was in Ben's flashback. Also i wanted to say thank you to Justin for posting the image of Jacob because my fiance erased the episode when it was over and I didn't get a chance to go back and take a look at it.

5/09/2007 10:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Bruce said...

How did Mikhail escape the being gassed when the hostile's gassed all the Dharma workers?

Alex is destined to kill Ben.

(Kate killed her dad)
Ben kill his dad
Locke had his dad killed
so it seems Alex will want Ben killed.

BTW Justin - look out Jacob is in your room.

5/09/2007 11:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Bruce said...

Funniest all time Claude and Justin moment

When Jack speaks out random quotes to prove he is not a bad guy - live together, die alone

5/09/2007 11:06:00 PM  
Blogger Joe said...

ALL-TIME funniest LLD moment:

The original discussion of the "cans on a string" trap

I was laughing about that to myself for the rest of that day, and the call-back to it in the last podcast was awesome.

5/09/2007 11:12:00 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

If the oil lamp falls off the table, breaks and the oil makes a fire, why is it intact when Ben puts it back on the porch when leaving?

5/09/2007 11:12:00 PM  
Blogger Claude said...


Re: Mikhail
He was at the Flame station, presumably. The next question is: why didn't they go after him? Maybe they gave him a choice to join them, since he had valuable skills with the comm stuff.

I was really hoping we'd see Radzinsky (sp) in this ep.


Re: oil lamp

Because it's a continuity error? Good catch.

5/09/2007 11:27:00 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

Did Jacob "appear" becuase Locke turned on that flashlight? Did he freak out because of technology?

5/09/2007 11:47:00 PM  
Blogger You-Know-Who said...

Good episode, though I really hope Locke's not dead.

Bruce said...

"How did Mikhail escape the being gassed when the hostile's gassed all the Dharma workers?"

Do we know for sure that he was a Dharma guy? Didn't Darlton say on the podcast that everything Mikey said in "Enter 77" Was true except that he was a Dharma worker.

"Alex is destined to kill Ben."

(Kate killed her dad)
Ben kill his dad
Locke had his dad killed
so it seems Alex will want Ben killed."

I like that theory.
Man, the writers must have some unconscious subliminal hate for they're Fathers. Thats two episodes in a row that daddy's have been murdered! And they weren't too nice daddy's either. Roger Workman was a BITCH. :)

I have no idea if Locke is dead. I can't see how they can make him be alive without it being crappy. But I really hope he's not dead, at the end of last episode I thought he wouldn't be dying for a very long time, and the next week he gets shot. You just don't whats gonna happen next on this show. Sometimes it feels like they're jumping the shark.

A Few Points:

*I wanna see someone beat Jack up, preferably sawyer.

*I loved the scene with Jacob, it was so weird and supernatural. I loved how at first you thought Ben had gone a l'il loony. earlier in the scene I was thinking maybe Ben was seeing his Mom sitting in the chair, because of the visions he has in the flashbacks (was it smokey?), but that was before I saw the screencap of that man. Now I have no idea what to think, but I like they way they're going with the whole Jacob being supernatural thing.

*What the fuck was that sand trail Locke was looking at? is it the tracks that smokey leaves? Volcanic ashes (the teacher talking about volcanoes must have been there for a reason)? And why did Ben step over it?

*Richard being older then Ben (or is he?) is messed up.

*Was it originally Ben's idea or the Hostiles/Others idea to purge Dharma.

*I guess Kelvin and Radzinski were in the Swan when the purge happened, so they survived and continued to be enslaved by the button not knowing that everyone was dead. Or maybe kelvin found out somehow and decided there was no point staying on the island with everyone dead and when Dessy came he planned his escape.

Anyone who's seen the orientation video that came out of TLE knows that Mittelwerk says "The Dharma Initiative failed". If the purge is the reason it failed wouldn't Hanso still be in power and go over to the island to see whats up and send replacements. Remember in season 2 when Kelvin asked if Desmond was Him, was he talking about Hanso? Maybe Hanso promised to send replacements but then Mittelwerk took over and decided to abandon the initiative and make a different plan to change the numbers. People who haven't played TLE probably don't know what i'm on about.

*It happened in Juliet's flashback in "One of Us"a and it happened in this epy too. thay always seem to convienately leave out the part where they explain what the Others/Hostiles history is. When did they come to the island? Where did they live before the purge? Why were they at odds with Dharma? Did they just live on the island or was there some other purpose? And how did they end up becoming all modern and using Dharmas stuff? If they don't answer these questions by the end of the season I'm gonna be mad. That for me is the only mystery that NEEDS to be answered in the last 3 hours.

*Maybe Jacob wanted to start a civilization that didn't use technology and lived more naturally like humans used to live. But in the purge they were using gas (which didn't kill Kate by the way, it just made KO, I guess theres 2 kinds) and guns and rifles. So I don't know.

I hope theres gonna be a huge war between the Others and The Losties, and maybe one group will purge the other. History repeats itself.

5/10/2007 12:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Bruce said...

(Jacob) Nice picture of Thomas Jefferson

By the eay technolgy strengthens Jacob - when the light was flashed on him. he was able to attack Ben.

5/10/2007 02:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Bruce said...

We do have a double edged sword here. If Ben is killed and Jacob regains his power, how do we know that Jacob is not even more evil than Ben?

There was a Twilight Zone in which a monk kept the devil prisoner. A visitor seeks asylum in the monastery and is warned to stay away from the prisoner. However due to curiosity he converses with the devil who appears as a normal courteous person. He believes the devil when he tells him the monk is crazy and he is just imprisoned by an angry senile monk. The visitor opens the jail cell and unwittingly unleashes the devil on the world.

5/10/2007 02:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Bruce said...


Excellent points but you really gave me something to think about

*What the fuck was that sand trail Locke was looking at? is it the tracks that smokey leaves? Volcanic ashes (the teacher talking about volcanoes must have been there for a reason)? And why did Ben step over it?

What comes out of a volcano - lava (ash) and smoke

Smoke - you do the math!

5/10/2007 03:06:00 AM  
Blogger Claude said...

About the picture of the dog:

Smokey is like a pet, very territorial, seems to guard an area, even dragged Locke by the leg like a dog might do to something to big to carry in its mouth. (and at the time it was invisible like Jacob)

Maybe smokey is Jacob's pet? His collie (or whatever kind the dog was) somehow became magical and turned into smokey.

At this point, no theory is too crazy.

5/10/2007 03:51:00 AM  
Blogger mexico84 said...

great episode! 9/10.

about the scene with Locke in the common grave - When Ben asked him about what Jacob said: I wish Locke would've said something like: "He said
*moan* .... kiss my ass, you douche!" :PPP

5/10/2007 04:10:00 AM  
Anonymous 420brownie said...

Yeah, Claude, holy shit, that pretty much sums it up. Wow, I said, wow-ow-ow-ow!!!

So much to talk about. Seeing Dharma in full-swing was awesome. Kinda feel bad for them, looked to me to be a bunch of weed smokin' hippies who had NO IDEA what they had stumbled onto on this island. They really never had a chance.

Ben, Ben, Ben. Wow, never saw those flashbacks coming. Not only was he not born on the island, he came as part of Dharma, but not only that, was part of the "janitorial" service. And the tie-in with Roger Workman. NEVER SAW that coming. Nice job D and C, nice job!!

OK, now for my big theories on Ben/Jacob. First, I totally bought into the fact that Ben was just ape-shit crazy. Great acting by Emerson. OK, here we go. Ben was not lying when he told Locke that no one else on the island had "seen" Jacob. No one has, except for Ben. That's why Ben is the leader, because he can interact with Jacob. The reason Ben kills Locke (or tries to) is because Locke heard Jacob's voice, which is probably more than anyone else has accomplished, therefore Locke is competition to Ben's authority.

Now, the "why" of why only Ben can see and hear Jacob is I guess the next new big question for the show. Or maybe I should say "what" is Jacob. My initial theory is that he's some sort of race of people indiginous to the island who is most likely extremely old, if not ancient.

What up with Alpert? I'm a little confused with what's going on here in terms of how old Alpert is. It seems they are hinting that Alpert has been around for quite a long time. Why no aging?

5/10/2007 07:14:00 AM  
Anonymous mekareq said...

Okay, if I ever wind up on an island, here is my little note to self:

Shoot people in the HEAD. Not the stomach, the HEAD.

I don't feel too bad about the loss of Locke, I'm sick of him. He has good flashbacks, but lost me when he started destroying the things that other people could have used to get off the island.

All time favorite LLD moment: "Oh my god, where did this Bay-bee come from?" "The Other's need to take that baby!"

5/10/2007 07:27:00 AM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

I saw this question online:

"Could Annie have been programmed to have a Croatian/French accent and deprived of conditioner for 16 years and turned into Rousseau?"

Any thoughts?

5/10/2007 07:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Julia said...

paul in nyc said...

I saw this question online:

"Could Annie have been programmed to have a Croatian/French accent and deprived of conditioner for 16 years and turned into Rousseau?"

Any thoughts?

Isn't Annie the Sheriff who talked to Jack about his tattoos?

5/10/2007 12:09:00 PM  
Blogger Joe said...

Okay... wow... tons of questions... here are a few of my own:

-- Why all the equivication from Ben about the rest of the Others? "ALMOST all of those people we're brought here by me", "I was born on this island, ONE OF the last that was", "I was ONE OF the people smart enough to make sure I didn't end up in that ditch"... If it was really just him, he would have said so... My money is on Rousseau.

-- When Ben saw his father's friend (Horace, I think) dead, he didn't look any older than the day they arrived on the island, yet Roger looked very, very much older, and Ben seems to have aged (apparently) normally... With Richard Alpert obviously avoiding the aging process, Is it a selective side-effect of the island?

-- Ben revealed to Locke that he lied to everyone about being born on the island, but Dr. Eyeliner knew that Ben's mother died during childbirth and that it did not happen on the island, so he knows the truth. This is so convoluted that I don't even know what question this raises.

-- If the Dharma initiative is through, then who is picking up the tab for maintaining the Others' lifestyle? I'm betting on The Widmore Corporation and Paik Industries... Maybe they threatened to pull their funding so Jacob orchstrated the Plane crash and Desmond's boat crashing to appease them.

I'm not even going to get into the whole Jacob issue... I'm spent just thinking about these questions... What you you guys think?

5/10/2007 12:13:00 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

julia said...
Isn't Annie the Sheriff who talked to Jack about his tattoos?

I think the sheriff's name is Isabel.

5/10/2007 12:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Bruce said...

Claude said...
If Ben (read: the writers) wanted Locke dead, Ben would have shot him in the head.

Locke is NOT dead. He can totally heal from that stomach wound. Great TV, though...

Michael shot Ana Lucia and Libby in the same spot.
8:18 PM

5/10/2007 01:01:00 PM  
Blogger Claude said...


True, but we actually *saw* A-Lu die, and Libby doesn't have Locke's healing powers. Good point, though.

Locke can't be dead. His journey is not complete, and who else can we find out more about Jacob from?

5/10/2007 01:49:00 PM  
Blogger FeFeMartini said...

that episode gave me a headache...

anyone care to chat about next week?

for anyone who saw "next week on lost" , who actually thinks charlie will die? Personally, i think they've dragged on the "charlie might die" thing for a few too many episodes already.. I'm going to be so pissed if Desmundo just saves him again. they could both die and it would be fine. at this point there have been like three useless episodes on the topic.

5/10/2007 03:40:00 PM  
Anonymous jane doe said...


i have heard some spoilers that Dom will not be returning next season, and that he will face his demise. personally, i think if it's true it's certainly out of character for Lost to set up a character death for an entire season only to realize it at the end. where's the twist? but, then again i don't get the charlie hate and would be sad to see him go. i'd prefer getting rid of some people that weren't original losties like Desmundo. I think Juliet and Ben are also prime targets, but I haven't heard any spoilers on them

5/10/2007 04:42:00 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...


jane doe,
i heard the same about dom.
the ultimate verification is to see if he is booked to be on good morning america next thursday morning.

5/10/2007 05:43:00 PM  
Blogger You-Know-Who said...

In the flashback when Ben had the gas mask on and was coming back to all the dead Dharmas I got reminded of Darth Vader in Revenge of the Suth when he kinda of gets reborn... and when he takes of the mask he's on the Dark/others side...
In fact Ben's story was kinda like Anikan's. They both come from the low ranks. they both are not happy with where they are. they both have a girl they love in the group they're in, but eventually they get convinced by someone (Alpert/the emperor) to become a traitor and slaughter they're people (Jedi/Dharma).

Bruce said...

"By the eay technolgy strengthens Jacob - when the light was flashed on him. he was able to attack Ben."

Yeah, you could look at it two ways: Either he was mad at Ben that he let Locke bring technology or like Bruce said technology does strengthen him and he was mad at Ben for keeping him prisoner, so Ben was lying (nothing new) about him not liking tech. I like the second idea better.

"We do have a double edged sword here. If Ben is killed and Jacob regains his power, how do we know that Jacob is not even more evil than Ben?"

True. You have good theory's Bruce.
Maybe Jacob will be the new villian after Ben. Though I do like to think Ben is keeping him prisoner.

Claude said...

"Maybe smokey is Jacob's pet? His collie (or whatever kind the dog was) somehow became magical and turned into smokey."

I have started to subscribe to the theory that Vincent is smokey. The only problem is that on the deleted scenes on the dvd you can see that Vincent was originally going to go with Micheal and Walt, so I don't know if he can be that important.

420brownie said...

"Or maybe I should say "what" is Jacob. My initial theory is that he's some sort of race of people indiginous to the island who is most likely extremely old, if not ancient"

Maybe that "race" will be the focus of season 4.

5/10/2007 05:48:00 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

I found this on yahoo today.

The fact that Locke was still breathing (okay, rasping) is a good thing, but I happen to know that Terry O'Quinn recently sold his house in Hawaii. He told me so when I was on the set in Hawaii, saying he wanted more "freedom" and "does better living in hotels." But...gaah! Here's hoping he's talking about a semipermanent residence in a Hawaiian hotel and not anywhere off the island, cause he simply cannot leave this show!

I think he'll stay on the show, maybe not as Locke but instead as Jacob? Any thoughts?

5/10/2007 06:27:00 PM  
Blogger You-Know-Who said...

I just hope that the writers didn't make Ben shoot Locke just to have a shocking ending. I only will like the episodes ending if it was integral to the larger story and also Locke's story.

5/10/2007 07:29:00 PM  
Blogger You-Know-Who said...

Here is a picture trying to prove that Locke is Jacob. It's pretty convincing. Found it on Lost-Forum.

5/10/2007 07:51:00 PM  
Blogger You-Know-Who said...

Never mind, I don't think the link works.

5/10/2007 07:53:00 PM  
Anonymous 420brownie said...

I'm gonna new-years-Justin and say that Jacob is not Locke. What Jacob is, I have no idea, but I just don't think he's some kind of future-Locke.

I think what Jacob tells Locke is EXTREMELY important to the overall story. "Help Me". Why would Jacob need Locke's help? Does Ben have some sort of control over Jacob?

5/10/2007 08:16:00 PM  
Anonymous vicki hi. said...

paul in nyc:
Here is a link to that podcast that is spoiler free. if u get a chance to listen to it let me know your opinion of the show.
it usually is up on itunes but there was a problem since i couldn't download it.

5/10/2007 08:18:00 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

vicki h,
i downloaded 2 episodes last night. i listened to about 5 minutes and the guy kept going on and on and on about his theory of what a spoiler is and how spoilers suck. i got annoyed. i'm going to give it another chance later. i'll let you know what i think.

5/10/2007 08:44:00 PM  
Anonymous vicki h said...

paul in nyc,
Aren't they annoying with the spoiler free stuff. if they mentioned someone leaving a comment on itunes. that was me. they called me a guy though.

5/10/2007 09:42:00 PM  
Blogger Claude said...


It's up early!

We didn't want anyone dying this week, or going through LLD withdrawal.


5/11/2007 04:18:00 AM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

WOW! Happy Friday to Clustin!

5/11/2007 04:52:00 AM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

vicki h,
i had to turn that podcast off. i deleted all the files i downloaded.
i don't like lost fan fiction, especially when it is poorly acted out.
these guys go on the do-not-download-ever-again list.

5/11/2007 05:05:00 AM  
Anonymous 420brownie said...

Wow, what a great surprise. Thanks guys!! The morning commute just got a lot more pleasant.

5/11/2007 05:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Krys said...

omg Podcast already?! Awesome!!

5/11/2007 06:26:00 AM  
Blogger Jeri said...

Oh yeah!!!
A great way to start the weekend...

I was going to start a contest to see who could guess the closest to how long this episode would be and lead off with my guess of 4:23. (for some obvious and not so obvious reasons)
I was not too far off!

Thanks Clustin!

5/11/2007 07:51:00 AM  
Blogger Joe said...

I don't know which is more shocking:

Locke getting shot or us getting LLD on Friday morning...

Well done.

5/11/2007 08:06:00 AM  
Blogger Jeri said...

I think that Ben mentions (to Richard) about birthdays, because of the 'not aging' thing - maybe Richard ignores birthdays because they have no meaning to one who does not age...

5/11/2007 08:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Julia said...

Have Clustin discovered the time bending secrets of the island to get the podcast out so quick?

Maybe they had a chat with Jacob in the Evil Dead hut and he sorted it out for them...

5/11/2007 09:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeri- nice theory! To take it to the next level, maybe Richard wasn't "born". Somebody check him for a belly button :p

5/11/2007 09:33:00 AM  
Anonymous 420brownie said...

At one point in the episode, I became convinced that Richard was Jacob. It was when young Ben runs away from O-town and runs into Richard in the jungle. I was like, dang, Richard doesn't age, and he had that long hair and just seemed very spiritual. I was like, whoa, Richard is Jacob! Not so much.

5/11/2007 09:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

youknowwho- I saw the pic of "locob" :o Is that for real? Can't be, can it? If it is it explains why Ben shot Locke... to prove to Locke that he can't die. Yeah, that theory is "out there" at best, but given the change of events lately, it's as good as any other I've read (unfortunately).

5/11/2007 09:51:00 AM  
Blogger Curt said...

Hey guys! Sorry I haven't been around in a bit, busy little bee and all that. Also sorry I didn't see you in the chat room the other night during the LIVE! show, really bummed I missed that.

Can't wait to listen to your take on this episode as I was let down (mostly my own fault though).

5/11/2007 10:08:00 AM  
Blogger You-Know-Who said...

Thanks Clustin!

5/11/2007 12:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Richard Alpert doesn't age, and is the only one we know of that doesn't, then maybe he is the smoke monster.

5/11/2007 12:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Bruce said...

If Alpert doesn't age than neither do Penny of Desmond.

Penny Met Desmond circa 1994/95. They look identical.

List Ben probably met Richard in the mid 80s.

Hell watch Private Parts and then 40 year old plus Howard Stern portrayed himself as a college student.

5/11/2007 05:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Bruce said...

Podcast is in - Happy Birthday Ben!

Hey my word verification

hyemrbth - is that code for Hi Mr. Bruce?

5/11/2007 05:56:00 PM  
Blogger Claude said...

What do YOU guys think?

Alpert doesn't age/ages very slowly OR just bad production?

5/11/2007 06:01:00 PM  
Blogger Curt said...

I think he doesn't age.

"You remember birthdays don't you?"


Wasn't he wearing like 19th century garb when we first saw him? if he was from the Black Rock.

5/11/2007 06:20:00 PM  
Anonymous 420brownie said...

leaning heavily to doesn't age. I agree with Jeri and Curt and I believe you guys mentioned it (I'm at the point in the podcast where you talk specifically about this) too, but I definitely think Ben's line to Richard about remembering birthdays is a good clue.

Maybe people on "the list" don't age on the island, or maybe people specifically under Jacob's watch don't age. Maybe people born on the island? Fixing to listen to the official podcast real quick, I wonder if they address this issue?

5/11/2007 08:19:00 PM  
Blogger stephen said...

why is this up so quick? did it just get here or what?

5/11/2007 08:22:00 PM  
Anonymous 420brownie said...

stephen- Claude and Justin surprised everybody by recording last night and getting it posted sometime god knows when early this morning.

Claude and Justin- burnin' one for you now my friends!! :)

5/11/2007 08:39:00 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

It's been a long time since German class, but if I remember correctly...

"Ich bin ein Berliner"- JFK,
translates to "I am a Berliner." In Berlin a Berliner is basically a type of jelly donut.
What JFK wanted to say was "Ich bin Berliner," which means a "I am a person of Berlin."
So what the people of Berlin interpreted in that speech was JFK saying, "I am a jelly donut."

This is according to my German teacher, Frau Rheinecker, from about 16 years ago. She may have been wrong, or I may have not remembered it correctly.

5/11/2007 11:11:00 PM  
Blogger Claude said...

Clustin, huh?


5/12/2007 12:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Bruce said...


I listen to every word - Dog expert on your bookmark.

I need a name for the rabbit

Pick one

Bugs I. Bunny
Roger (son's) Rabbit
Locke Hasno Hare
Silly Rabbit, Trix are for Ben
Easter Egg Bunny

5/12/2007 02:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Bruce said...

Here is some thinking out of the box.

What if young Ben did not meet Richard Alpert, but Richard Alpert's dad.

Richard Alpert killed his daddy!

5/12/2007 02:06:00 AM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

i just hit play and listened to the rest of berliner...

Claude said...
Clustin, huh?


You no like?

5/12/2007 02:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Bruce said...


We know that C&J aka Clustin do the most intellectual analysis of LOST well here is a real heady article on LOST from Entertainment Weekly = knowing that links don't work well in this blog, you may eed to cut and paste - well worth it,,20038700,00.html

5/12/2007 03:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Bruce - Sorry said...

This blog messes links!

5/12/2007 03:25:00 AM  
Blogger Claude said...


Thanks for the link. It was an interesting read.

I just wonder if the writers are really thumbing through old college philosphy books while they write scenes with Kate in a thong.

5/12/2007 10:18:00 AM  
Blogger Justin said...

I'm of the opinion that they don't really do much with the philosophers besides name characters after them.

It is hard to dramatize philosophical concepts. Plus, I'm not sure I believe the writers actually know that much about philosophy.

I don't think the explanation for the show will be so intellectual. I think it will be more emotional. That's what the writers like.

5/12/2007 12:08:00 PM  
Blogger Claude said...


I know from first hand experience how hard it is to dramatize philosophical concepts. I give you a treatment for a thankfully aborted short student film I was going to do:

In empty space, we find two entities with an inherent dichotomy. Expression, representing art and personal freedoms, stands poised, ready for combat. Likewise, Repression, representing everything from censorship to lack of funding for the arts, is aptly prepared for battle. We then see the Entered Apprentice, tasked to balance these forces for the good of humanity. He is a subjective force trying to be objective. He can be thought of as legislature and or personal convictions. He is shown blinded by a scarf to invoke the image of Lady Justice.

In the first round, we see Expression and Repression battling through non-violent means, shown as a tap dance competition. Each, in turn, performs a routine in the attempt to overpower the other.

Intercut, we see the Entered Apprentice trying to balance two small figures representing Expression and Repression. As each ideal dance, they become more powerful, lending greater weight on the Entered Apprentice’s scale. Neither winning the completion, they decided to battle via direct physical means.

In this second round, we see both Expression and Repression in the guise of fencers. Now in direct contact, they must defend their position with the baseness of violence. For this action sequence, we see the Entered Apprentice frantically trying to keep up with the change in balance between the two ideals.

Tired of the endless inability to create perfect balance, the Entered Apprentice cheats by rigging the scale, creating a false perfection. Since Expression and Repression can never be perfectly balanced, the Entered Apprentice must die for his deceit and failure of task. He is killed by the sharpened foils of Expression and Repression, who then turn and await the next attempt to balance their opposing natures, the next Entered Apprentice.

Yikes, right?

5/12/2007 12:46:00 PM  
Blogger janicm said...

5/12/2007 06:46:00 PM  
Anonymous 420brownie said...

Claude, wow, lots of big words! Just kidding, thanks for sharing, I'd like to see more of your work.

Everyone should check out the Official Podcast. D & C are very tight-lipped about Jacob, but confirm that Ben taking Locke to see him was a "litmus test" of sorts. Ben wanted to see if Locke could see or hear Jacob; when confirmed that he could, it threatened Ben's position with the others, which is why he shot Locke. They pretty much confirm that Locke is special since he can hear Jacob.

5/12/2007 08:00:00 PM  
Blogger Claude said...


That was from when I wanted to be like Matthew Barney. I've since learned to leave the crazy genius to the crazy geniuses.

Do you watch The Office? If so, I can send you an episode I wrote. Send me your email at lostlowdown @
and I'll send it to you.

5/12/2007 08:41:00 PM  
Anonymous vicki h. said...

paul in nyc:

you will have a great time in Las Vegas. Fireworks and fun.

I hope you are not angry with me for asking you to listen to the Lost Unlocked podcast. I know it is annoying. I just wanted a second opinion.

5/12/2007 08:51:00 PM  
Anonymous vicki h. said...

Claude and Justin:

we must all meet in Las Vegas for the Series finale in 2010 and celebrate.

think about it guys.

5/12/2007 08:52:00 PM  
Blogger Claude said...


I'm up for it! I think all the Lost podcasters and Lost fans should have a big ol' Lost fan convention. Sounds awesome!

5/12/2007 08:59:00 PM  
Anonymous vicki h. said...


that sounds great! I think another podcaster mentioned a series finale convention. they mentioned that all the fans should contribute money to a travel fund for all the Lost podcasters. I forgot who said it. i think Paul in NYC might remember.

5/12/2007 09:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


"it is hard to dramatize philosophical concepts"

not true at all!

5/12/2007 11:25:00 PM  
Blogger You-Know-Who said...

Thanks phat_cartman, that was really funny! I love Python. If they were still around now maybe they could have done some Lost parody's.

5/12/2007 11:47:00 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

vicki h said...
I hope you are not angry with me for asking you to listen to the Lost Unlocked podcast. I know it is annoying. I just wanted a second opinion.

I could never be mad. :)
Those guys stink.

I was in Vegas for the 4th in 2005.
Each casino has their own fireworks. Although they don't all coordinate, the sky over whole strip is ablaze for a few minutes at a time.
It's cool.

Any fireworks fan in the Northeast who has not been to the Fourth of July fireworks in DC should totally check it out.
Over the years I've seen fireworks in DC, Philly, NY, Boston, and LV for the 4th and DC by far has the best ones.

I thought I heard remarks on other podcasts about a huge meet up in Hawaii for the finale. Was it Big-O? I can't recall. Vegas or Hawaii, I think I can save up for 2010. Keep me posted.

5/13/2007 10:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Bruce said...

Claude - I have a great title for your philosophical dance off -

You Have Been conServed!

5/13/2007 12:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Bruce said...

Also your dance off can reunite JLo and Ben

However in this case JLo is John Locke and Ben of course is still Ben Affleck.

5/13/2007 12:56:00 PM  
Blogger You-Know-Who said...

This video is awesome! It's the plane crash edited together from different point off views desmond/others/fusies/talies

5/13/2007 03:56:00 PM  
Blogger You-Know-Who said...

Hopefully this'll work better.

5/13/2007 03:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

youknowwho- thanks for the youtube link. that video was awesome! :) they jump around so much in the show, i wonder if that could be done with other events.

5/13/2007 04:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

new nomination for unlistenable podcast

'Levinson News Clips'
simply terrible

5/14/2007 10:30:00 AM  
Blogger Sylvia said...

great podcast!

5/14/2007 03:16:00 PM  
Anonymous jane doe said...

yes! LOST convention! omg... am i becoming like one of those "trekkies?" whatever. i refuse to be ashamed. let's do it in NYC (oh i guess i'm biased about that...)

you wrote an episode of The Office? awesome. that just happens to be my most favorite television program (aside from LOST, duh). no wonder i enjoy ya'll's podcast...

5/14/2007 06:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Bruce said...

Weather problem

The calculation is that Ben was born December 22 and one site claimed he was born in 1963, by an inside source.

The significance of that date is the President Kennedy was assassinated on November 22, 1963 and a 30 day period of mourning ended on December 22, 1963.

But here is the screw up - the weather for Portland in December is about 40 degrees F. Why would Roger be wearing a light jacket, his wife a sweather and the Goodspeed's driving a convertable with the top down?
The sign did say Portland 32.

Allthough this most likely is a continutiy error, it is possible they are not in Portland, Oregon, United States on our Earth. But then again how would Ben have has a tape of Joe Buck and the 2004 World Series?

So I'm thinking continuity error.

5/14/2007 11:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Bruce said...

Josh Holloway on The View Thursday.

Evangeline Lily on Regis next Monday.

Jorge Garcia on Kimmel next Monday.

Domonic Monehan on The View next Tuesday.

Elizabeth Mitchell on The View next Wednesday.

Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! I am actually going to watch the View - Damn you Elizabeth Mitchell!

5/14/2007 11:21:00 PM  
Blogger Claude said...


I would bet money that the writers had no idea what the weather was like, and since they never gave a definitive date, they didn't even think to consider it.

It's not really a continuity error, since those are errors that occur during production when something is different for one scene/shot to another.

Another angle to defend their choice of clothes would be to take the given weather from that scene (sunny) and assume, at best, it was unusually warm that day.

5/15/2007 12:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jericho (CBS) Cancelled

5/15/2007 01:08:00 PM  
Blogger Claude said...

That's a nasty, sad rumor!

I like Jericho.

5/15/2007 03:43:00 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

business card: talk boy

5/16/2007 03:04:00 PM  

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