Lost Lowdown Podcast #35
posted by Claude at 7/14/2007 10:17:00 PM
Saturday, July 14, 2007
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Thanks guys...I'll be listening.
Awesome.
Awesome. I've pretty much decompressed from season 3, great timing on this. Long time no talk, hope you guys have been doing good, staying out of trouble, ya know. Justin, I can't take anymore of those late night, "bail me out of jail" calls, OK?
I've made it about halfway through the last Mr Podcast, good stuff and a great diversion. My eyes lit up this morning when iTunes started downloading a new LLD!! Woohoo.
Just finished listening... just a moment ago and now it is restarting with my illustrious hosts Cl and Ustin.
Thanks for new LLD. Something to listen to on Monday!
Hey guys,
Since you asked:
Tea is mainly only drunk by people from an older generation, like over 40, coffee's the main thing.
"Hot chips" is usually used to establish that you're talking about "French Fries" but generally both hot and potato chips are just referred to as chips.
As far as listing all foods, well off the top of my head, most other things are the same, although we use the term "soft drink" where people in the US, Canada and UK may use "soda" or "pop". Soda here is just Soda water.
Oh and people in the US use the word "popsicle" whereas we say "ice block". And since I'm looking it up on Wikipedia, people in New Zealand also use "ice block", people in Ireland use "ice lolly". The general term is apparently "ice pop".
There's probably a few more things, but off the top of my head that's all I got.
Thanks! You just made my day!
Perry,
Thanks for the info. Have you ever asked for chips and wanted one kind of chips and got the other? That must be confusing. But since Australia is just sailing along, I guess you guys manage to get by regardless. :)
As far as soda goes, I'll give you another that I've only heard used in the southern US: "cold drink"
I say soda. Pop seems kind of old fashioned, but I think the Mid-westerners say it. Or maybe it's the Northerners. Who knows? Some even say "soda pop."
In other news, I heard you guys have Quiznos over there. Have you been? Have you tried the Chicken Carbonara? It's "good" in any country. :P
wow its been awhile, i thought the ravenscraft assassins got to you guys...
Claude,
Generally the potato chips you grab yourself and you would ask for hot chips at the counter, perhaps even with a point in the direction of the chips, lol.
Cold drink would just mean what it literally sounds like, or perhaps could imply it to be alcoholic.
As far as Quiznos goes, I had never heard of or seen it before, and after looking it up in the White Pages, there is apparently only 1 shop in Victoria and 2 shops in Queensland. (I'm in Sydney, NSW)
If people are curious: Wikipedia says "There are over 5,000 shops located in the United States, over 300 in Canada, and 100 more scattered in 20 other countries..."
keep the podcasts coming!!! the longer the better!
here is my theory on lost:
Jacob (The Island)
was infected by a virus (black rock, center of the island, center of the body).
his immune system (the hostiles)
started fighting off the virus.
they (immune system/hostiles)
were able to disable the boat (virus)
but couldn't kill the infection (smokey)
after years of keeping the infection (smokey) in check
the (immune system/hostiles) got weaker and
the virus(smokey) got stronger and began to spread (black smoke roaming around)
Jacob got sicker when his immune system got weaker.
He went to see a doctor. The doctor started Jacob on a treatment/medicine. (Dharma).
The hostiles (immune system) saw Dharma as a threat to the island (Jacob) They couldn't see that Dharma may be able to cure the island (Jacob)
The Doctors did experiments to see what would cure Jacob (The Dharma Initiative)
The hostiles (immune system) didn't recognize that the medicine/treatment (Dharma) as good and annihilated them (the purge)
The Doctors wanted the treatment/medicine to multiply so it could be stronger to fight the virus/disease (smokey)but they failed (the others not being able to have children)
The Doctors try to figure out why the goods cells aren't multiplying (Juliet)
The doctors inject stem cells (Aaron)
So far Smokey cant get to the Others because of the fence (treatment) is blocking it.
Jacob gets sicker, maybe he is in a coma.
He can hear voices,murmurings (the whispers)
The Doctors try another approach. They inject stronger medicine (the Losties) in hopes that they will be able to kill the virus (Smokey)
Locke and Rose were healed when the came to the island. Maybe they were cells that were medically enhanced to fight the infection.
The Losties are stronger or have special traits. They all can fight. They are there because Dharma failed.
The Losties see Smokey and also White flashes (maybe a MRI, Xray or Radiation treatment)
When they pushed the button it was allowing the island (Jacob) to accept one of the treatments or maybe
nourishment. When they stopped pushing the button Jacob went into cardiac arrest. But the doctors saved him from dying.
The Doctors try a new treatment where they try and trick the immune system (hostiles) into thinking that the medicine is part of the immune system and belongs with the immune system (Ben).
Soon the medicine (Ben) takes control of the immune system (hostiles)
He (Ben ) tries to cure Jacob.
The hostiles (immune system) begin to realize that Ben isnt what they thought because he isnt curing Jacob. They look in another direction for someone to take charge or another approach to cure Jacob. They are willing to try a spiritual approach (Locke)
Jacob's hut (Jacob's mind) is dark and not in his control. He barely has access to it . The picture of the dog may be his pet dog.
Ben is in control of Jacob's mind/hut . He thinks it is for his own good. He wants to keep him locked up to reserve his strength while he tries to cure him.
Jacob says "Help me " to Locke. When he talks to Locke he may be praying to God and Locke being "a man of faith" can hear him.
Jack wants to get the Losties off the island. (Jacob)
Ben tells Jack that they (Hostiles) are they "Good guys" (the cure for Jacob) and that the intruders/ people on Naomi's boat are the bad guys (a fatal secondary infection?) and if he makes the call he will kill everyone on the island.
Jack leaves the island without doing what he was sent there to do (cure Jacob, kill the virus/Smokey) and wants to go back.
Peony,
Interesting take on what's going on, but I just have to mention my frustration with the use of quotations with the words "a man of faith" referring to Locke.
The man of faith in the quotations should still refer to Jack, not Locke.
As stated by the producers, the title "Man of Science, Man of Faith" refers to Jack only, not Jack and Locke.
Sorry, I know Locke is considered a man of faith too but it's just a pet peeve of mine.
There is precedent in the show for calling Locke a "man of faith". He calls himself that in the finale of season 1. I don't think he actually IS a man of faith, though. His faith is terrible fickle, and he lets evidence get in the way of it. I don't think these are bad qualities, but they are not qualities of "faith".
True,
but even if he calls himself a "man of faith" a lot of people still use the phrase "...'man of faith'..." in quotations seeming to try and reference the titular line of the S2 premiere.
perry, as a fellow australian, i will agree that tea is a typically older generation drink, but im only 24 and i only ever drink tea. i can't stand coffee. interestingly i read somewhere that tea drinking is actually increasing for younger people.
just to confirm with claude and justin, it is an inherited practice taken from the british (we are a colony afterall). tea is a very imbedded part of our history and culture - for instance an old tradition from farmers and campers, colonial settlers etc. was to make a can of billy tea over a fire. billy tea is even mentioned in our unofficial national anthem - waltzing matilda.
to any canadians. is tea an important drink there?
in my own social circle we cant stand the pretentiousness of drinking coffee and 'catching up', yet some of us (not me) will drink coffee at home. tea does have an air of sophistication about it, much more than coffee - i think charlie even said its what seperates us from the yank brutes.
curiously, i have never had a glass of iced tea in my life.
i think another cultural thing was claires use of the word drapes. to me anyway (and i know the word is used over here) the more appropiate word would have been curtains. it seems odd to me that emilie de raven hasn't more of a choice as to what to say. i think there was another instance in her diary where she had apparently written a list of things to buy. one of them was jerky, which is a hardly ever bought snack food, and gum. obviously we have gum but never reference it that way. we usually say 'chewie' or 'chewing gum' in full.
i wonder how often they utilise her to check up on these things. surely there must be more australians on staff.
and i agree, your australian accent needs a lot of work. i do take offence however that we sound like goofy. to me, goofy sounds much like the simple american - all 300 million of you. zing. isnt goofy supposed to be representative of the southern redneck, you know the ones - the sons of the soil....
just a question to all the yanks on the blog here, can you tell the difference between a south african accent and an aussie one? and even worse an american attempt at an australian accent? i know that they all have been used on the show...
Kent,
Thanks for all the info. I really love to find out little things from other people's perspectives. And just to clarify, I don't think Australians sound like Goofy, just that if you're trying to imitate an Aussie accent, and you're bad at it, you can easily cross into a Goofy impression. But they are not one in the same.
Some English accents are quite close to southern American accents, particularly those of "higher class."
I too am surprised that the writers don't jump at whatever colloquialisms Emily suggests. Maybe she just don't care and doesn't offer?
As far as curtains vs drapes. I don't think of one being used more than another here. I think there is a connotative element that drapes are more expensive, maybe of better/thicker material than curtains. I think the difference is akin to that of a sofa vs a couch. Maybe even a vase (vaise) vs vase (vozz).
South African, Australian, and New Zealand accents all orbit the same realm. But I can tell the difference if put to the test. But there have been times when I'd hear one of the accents and assume it was Australian, but on closer listen the person was S. African or a Kiwi.
Man, the British were everywhere, weren't they? That damned naval empire sure came in handy during those early days.
Ah well if we're off the food topic, one of the biggest things that is wrong with LOST in Australia is the Medicare thing. Claire's medical fees for her mother would all be covered by the government and Christian wouldn't need to be the mystery man paying for it.
Also, Christian also says "...it is illegal to turn off her machines...", but in Australia it is not illegal to turn off life support. It's illegal to give her something to kill her, but not illegal to just turn off the machine.
... good for the drama maybe, but still incorrect.
Okay, I have an Australian question, which I'm really happy to ask, because I've been wondering about Universal Health Care since I saw "Sicko."
Are there measures the government will not pay for? I guess what I told myself to make that story line make sense was that if the money hadn't been available, the government would say, "Ok, that's enough, she's coming off life support," or "We'll keep her alive, but *that's all,* no other treatment." Where does the government draw the line? I mean, could there have been a point where Christian might have intervened monetarily and it would have helped?
I know that in England there was uproar because the NHS was not going to cover something that was really expensive, I *think* for MS. JK Rowling spoke out about it, and that was the first I heard about government-funded health care.
I'm sorry this is off-topic, but I'm really interested, and the coincident of it coming up on it's own is just too convenient.
the whole medicare issue in australia is quite complex and i admit i have little knowledge of how it works or what it involves.
the best i can do is do the obvious. i.e. point you to wikipedia. i feel dirty somehow.
http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Medicare_%28Australia%29
from what i know, a lot of the medicare assistance relies on either the use of public or private facilities. generally, the average australian has access to unlimited free doctor consultations, provided those doctors 'bulk-bill'. when it comes to hospitalisation, if you choose to go to a public hospital and recieve public treatment, then that is fully subsidised also. if you elect to go private, only some of that will be paid for by the government. it boils down to a perception that private treatment is better - more specialised staff, fancier hospitals. plus the waiting lists for elective surgery in public hospitals is substantially longer. i dont know about the death rate.
one healthcare area medicare does not cover is dental. to gain any benefits, you must be part of a private health care fund. but even then it can a bit confusing. when i had my wisdom teeth extracted i was out of pocket over $6000 because i was only in a private health care fund for 17 months and there was a 2 year waiting period for any dental cover. yet i was lucky in some ways because the cost of the aneasthesia was covered by medicare.
as for claires mums treatment, and any other measures the government will draw the line at i simply dont know. i guess its one of those things where i will find out when i desperately need to, or i have no choice but to. only then it might be too late...
forgot to mention that one eye examination every two years is also free. as to eyewear i havent a clue.
ugh the emmy's snub LOST again... not that the emmy's have had a history of awarding deserving programs, but still. HEROES gets a best drama nod, but not LOST? oh dear.
However TOQ and Michael Emerson got nominations for best supporting actor! One have them had better win!
Other than that LOST only got nominated in a select few categories:
directing-Jack Bender for Through the Looking Glass
sound-editing- a tale of two cities
picture editing- through the looking glass
writing- damon and carlton for Through the Looking Glass.
Jesus H. Christ, i knew it would be a Sopranos love fest this year, but there wasn't even any major love for my other fave drama: Dexter! so sad
jane doe:
i agree with you.
imho -the emmys are getting worse each year. i don't thinnk i will be watching this year. they really snubbed Lost.
emmys... ouch
Happy Birthday Claude
Merakeq,
To answer your question simply: No, there is no case in which the government will not pay for intensive care. All costs are covered by the government.
Kent is correct in that if you want to use your private health fund to select the doctor you want you can, but each doctor has a fee that they set and charge themselves, and if this fee is above what the government will pay, the patient has to pay the extra.
But all public health care is paid for fully by the government, so the only drawback to public is that you can't select or choose to change your doctor once 1 has been assigned to you. Also all cases that are for intensive care are treated immediately so no waiting is required.
The only cases that a patient would have to pay, are for elective surgery such as things like hernia operations and plastic surgery. And like Kent said, dental is only covered if your particular private health fund covers it.
hp fans,
how far along are you with the new hp? what do you think so far?
i'm about 1/2 way. what a great book. definitely the best of the lot, so far. too bad the movie for hp&tdh will cut a lot of this great stuff out.
i only on chapter 5 of HP... i really want to spread it out since it's the last one. but then i like the feeling of reading it all in two days.
I read the HP book in 11 hours, a record for me. A most excellent story, I really loved it! I'm going to see the new film in the IMAX tomorrow so I can't wait for that.
I'm on chapter 26, about 2/3 through the book. It's gone way too fast.
Thanks Paul!
Spent the weekend in Vegas. Played a lot of slots. Drank enough to have fun, but didn't over do it. Walked away with money still in my pocket.
Best birthday ever, hands down.
I read DH in 14 hours with sleep in between. There is something I'm wondering about but I'll wait until at least Justin is done to post it.
Well, I'm done. I'm a bit worried about spoiling it, though. I raced through it.
if i could request that if people are going to discuss HP 7 that they clearly Spoiler tag their post. i will be thoroughly displeased if i get spoiled on the last book, and seeing as this is a LOST website, i don't think it's too much to ask to not be spoiled on HP when perusing the Lost comments section. gracias.
40 pages to go!!!!
good idea jane doe!
I got the Harry Potter book at 12:01 Saturday, read for a bit, slept three hours, went to work for an hour, and still finished by 11:00 am. I won't spoil anything, but BEST BOOK EVER. Seriously.
wow. i'm gonna read it again.
I got HP on Sunday at 2pm, slept for 4 hours and STILL finished it by 6:30pm.
Okay, I've now finished the book again, and started it again. This is the BEST BOOK EVER!
I'm really proud of one of my theories, the only one I came up with on my own... I totally nailed a plot point.
Hers a link to some footage of the Lost video game coming out at the start of next year:
http://digg.com/television
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It looks pretty good but it definitely took them a long time to make it, a lot of it is based on season 2 stuff like the hatch when we're going onto season 4. Still looks fun.
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I'm confused about something. Why exactly did Harry survive the Killing Curse in the forest? I'm confused about the reason that happened. I know Dumbledore explained it but it still doesn't seem to make much sense.
Anyone got any ideas? Remember to add a spoiler tag.
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Basically, the killing curse killed the part of Voldemort *inside* of Harry, not Harry himself. That is why Voldemort was completely untethered at the end of battle at Hogwarts, and that's why they both went to the trainstation (Voldemort was the little flayed screaming thing under the bench).
That, or it was because Harry was the true master of the Elder Wand, and it refused to kill him, but I don't think that was it.
Molly Weasly is the most awesome woman in the fictional world right now, and I agree that is probably the best line in the series. I also fell in love with Neville's Gran. "Dawling is still in Saint Mungo's." That little old witch totally rocks!
By the way, Jo Rowling has filled us in on who got the reprieve, who were the two characters who were suposed to live but didn't, and the careers of Harry, Ron, Hermione and Luna. Check it out if you've finished the book.
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Just finished checking the news about this years comiccon. Meh...I'm not sure how excited I am.
Michaels coming back as a series regular
there will be both flashforwards and flashbacks
We will learn more about Libby (meant to do it in S3 but couldn't)
there might be a new ARG next summer
Guy who plays Richard is on a new show so screen time might be limited
One interesting thing is, that Ben was caught accidentally and we'll see why soon.
There was also a new orientation video introducing a new station called The Orchid, but overall I don't people asked much good questions... They should have had something crazy happen like when Rachel Blake appeared last year.
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The thing at the end was a bit silly.
Harry was a horcrux, presumably the AK destroyed the horcrux part of him.
When LV came back in #4, he used Harry's blood, which had some kind of effect of protection relating to the protection that Harry got from his mother's sacrifice. Somehow, this meant that he couldn't kill Harry.
Then there's also the convoluted thing involving who was master of the elder wand. Draco took it from Dumbledore, then it was buried with DD, then LV took it from his grave. Later, Harry disarmed Draco of his normal wand, but the elder wand somehow "knew" about this, and transferred it's allegiance to Harry. I guess this is another reason why the AK didn't kill him.
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I agree, Justin. Since I've finished the book I've been trying to figure out how that whole thing worked out. I understand some parts of it but I always end up facing more problems, loopholes and contradictions. I've yet to hear a truly satisfactory answer. I really don't want to believe that Jo didn't think this through, especially since the rest of the book is so good. But I'll never be really happy with the ending until I figure it out.
I've posted about this topic and the reasons why I have a problem with it in this forum:
http://www.leakylounge.com/
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I go by zinkerboltlizard and my post is at the bottom of page 3. It's a good thread to read if you're wondering why harry survived.
This is probably a more thorough thread on the aforementioned topic:
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After reading it, I'm more confused than I was. When I was reading it, it all seemed to fit. I thought that I had forgotten how it all was supposed to have worked, but that's apparently not the case.
The "harry survives AK...again, but it killed the horcrux" part of the story reminded me of the ending of "fight club", which I never liked. He shot himself, and it killed his other personality? Ugh.
Overall, I did enjoy the book, though. It felt like a guided tour through the "greatest hits" of the previous books.
you ruined fight club for me
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Yeah, that's a good analogy Justin. I just realized how similar those endings both are. Though I think Harry Potter is more "real" (as real as you can get with magic) and I always thought fight club was more about the ideas and philosophies presented, the whole thing could be seen as a whole head trip. Bottom line is, I take the Fight club story more metaphorically then I take the Harry Potter story, so I'm more Okay with that kind of ending in fight club (though I haven't read the book).
Heres another Harry Potter-Fight Club connection: Helena Bonham Carter plays deranged lunatics in both of them.
I think this is the correct url for the second link:
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Yes HP was awesome. I just started it again.
But what do you guys thing of the LOST news from Comic-Con?? I'm so pumped for next season now!
Yeah, looks pretty exciting. Just hope that since Michael is coming back it won't be because he got picked up by Dharma and Dharma are the people on the boat. I'm half expecting that's what will happen, but I would really like them to blow our minds with some new group we've never heard that somehow makes sense. I remember Damon saying that the boat was part of the "house" of Lost having "more rooms then you thought"
that makes me think that Dharma and the Others are just part of the puzzle and theirs a whole new element coming in.
I would still enjoy the show a lot if it was Dharma on the boat, but I like being surprised on Lost. I want it to be something I didn't think of.
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I've never read the book either, but I've heard that in the book, he actually kills himself, and that's the ending. I kind of wish she had let harry die and let the rest do the clean up work. I think Damon Lindelof made a good case for that ending. Ah well.
The Fight Club ending was doomed from the start.
In light of recent comic-con news I really think it's Michael in the coffin. Cuselof said that Michael coming back on the show would show the islands redemptive qualities. I think Jack is the only one who went to the funeral because he's the only one who truly forgave Michael after Michael came back. Probably in S4 we'll see Michael alive coming back to the island and possibly near his death or dead in the flash forwards Cuselof said we're having more of. If you realize at the panel Cuselof din't specifically say Michael wouldn't be in flashbacks/forwards they just said he'd be joining the cast again, so he could only appear in flashforwards.
Justin and I had a whole conversation about Michael's return, that would have made a good little podcast if we had thought to record it before we started.
I personally don't think we will see Michael on the island again, not in the "present" anyway. I just don't see Michael being their without Walt, and I don't see Walt being there not in apparition form.
I think we will see Michael and Walt getting rescued, and then a few scenes, maybe an ep or two, of future stuff with them. There really is no story left for Michael on the island (IMHO) and in general I don't think Harold will be in more than a few episodes, even if his contract is as a regular.
That being said, the writers can of course pull rabbits* out of their hats. And in then end, they are not only better writers than I, but actually know where the show is going. So we'll see how it plays out.
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*Speaking of rabbits, what's with that new station? That pulled that one out of their ass.
i'm glad Michael's returning to LOST. i think there's potential that they could screw up the story line, but it could also be amazing. i'd like if he was just part of the flashforwards/flashbacks than actually returning to the island, but who knows. i think it's a better choice than just having some throw away line or something from ben that's like "yeah we just killed michael and walt before they made contact with the outside world" or
ben: "we had no choice but to let them safely off the island"
jack: "yeah well i hope he bears the weight of guilt on his shoulders every day"
i think that the story, and michael's consequences should be more complex than that.
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ahhh just finished the book. the epilogue part was a little too nice and neat of a wrap up for me (but yay for naming a son after snape!), but i absolutely loved the following
-the entire chapter of "the prince's tale" and finally knowing Snape's real allegiance
-neville generally kicking ass
-harry preparing to enter the forest and sacrifice himself... all his thoughts about death and dead who came to support him (reminded me a bit of the Six Feet Under series finale, which is why i wish harry died for real because it would have been even more poignant, but ultimately i guess it is "children's lit")
-narcissa realizing that harry is alive, but only caring about draco's life and not at all voldemort's goals.
yeah, what's with the new Orchid Station? It wasn't on the Swan hatch map, but of course it wasn't an official map, so they add whatever they like to the island in season 4.
I thought the Wickman/Candle/whatever stuff was cool though. I wonder why we never saw him in the Ben/Dharma flashbacks?
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I thought the ending was because Harry did what his mother did, but he sacrificed himself for all the people at Hogwarts. So Voldy's crucio curse didn't work on him, and later in the fight no one was killed because they all had the magical protection.
The horcrux stuff and the elder wand stuff is all combined with this though, making it a bit confusing.
Yeah, it seemed like clumsy-exposition-disguised-as-revelation to me.
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when is the next lld podcast?
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I wanted to know how the sword ended up in the sorting hat for Neville and if anyone thinks DD and Harry are somehow related due to the fact that their fam is buried together? Claude your Las Vegas voicemail was funny as hell!Tasha and I swaped messages you crazy bastard.
Kisha:
In Chamber of Secrets Dumbledore said about the sword something along the lines of:
"Only a true Gryffindor could pull that out of the hat"
Neville is definitely a true gryffindor!
Like in CoS, the sword wasn't physically in the hat to begin with. Only if it was desperately needed would the sorting hat give it to you.
I was so starved for Lost content that I listened to Episode 3.22 (yeah, all 13 hours over several days) again. I guess if you aren't spoiler free, some of the speculations were confirmed recently (about the flash-forwards continuing along with the flash-backs).
If you take a vote for favorites from Season 2, mine are "Lockdown" and "The 23rd Psalm" definitely.
Hey guys! New commentator here. Just thought I would drop you a line and let you know I love your show. I think you guys have some interesting perceptions of the events and characters on the show. I dropped you guys and e-mail too. I hope you check it out.
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HARRY POTTER SPOILERS
About the sword in the hat.... Dumbledore told Snape to give Harry the sword, but that he had to get get it in (don't have my book with me...) great need and by using valor.
Maybe because the Goblin snatched it and betrayed the trio it screwed up an enchanment and stuck the hat back in the hat?
That's what my brain is saying anyway.
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