Tuesday, March 20, 2007

Podcast #25

Episode 3.13: "The Man from Tallahassee"




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Alright Lowdowers, the 30 Post Challenge has begun. As we stated in Podcast #24, if we get 30 "unique" comments, you guys will win a prize. And the icing is that you guys get to decide what your prize is.

In your post, leave us a question or comment about the episode, or just say hi. Be sure to weigh in on what you'd like the prize to be.

At the end, we will pick the prize idea that has the most votes, or the one that's the most interesting.

Also, be sure to sign a name if you post as Anonymous. And don't try to cheat and post several times as Anon.

159 Comments:

Blogger Jeri said...

HI guys, believe it or not, I have a friend who returned 3 days ago from a month in Austrailia - he is a doctor and was working there! According to him, loosely, yes, not only is healthcare free, but school is paid for for everyone THROUGH college!!! You can pay extra and get a higher level care and choices - Claire's Mom's room was really nice, a private suite. I would imagine that she could have been kept alive for free, but not in the luxury she was in, so there would have been those expenses.

4:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if we win ya need to do a 'remote' 8 hour podcast from a local eatery, but even better, dont plan it in advance, just show up live and start podcasting

4:20 PM  
Blogger David3 said...

Back to the blast door map...because we can always use some more blast door map, I have an idea. The circle in the middle with the question mark...what if that's the barracks. The maker of the map never ventured beyond the security fence, so he doesn't know what's in there, hence the question mark. The importance of this...um, yeah, what was the question again?

7:09 PM  
Blogger Justin said...

I know it's a boring answer, but I think the question mark was the Pearl. Especially since Damon called it the "question mark hatch" in one of the commentaries on the DVD.

7:24 PM  
Blogger David3 said...

That's a boring answer.

7:36 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

Challenge, eh... How about you guys do a commentary on a season 3 episode (second pod of the season please)? I think it would be a blast to "watch along" with you guys.

7:54 PM  
Anonymous Bruce said...

Beating a dead horse - You don't think it is strange that Christian would rearrange his schedule and fly 15 hours to Australia to see his baby mama after her accident and just happen to be there when Claire is pregnant with his first grandchild, yet you think it is strange that he kept tabs on them.

To think Anthony Cooper was able to track down his son Locke when he need a kidney.

I'll be organizing my bookmarks.lowr

8:41 PM  
Anonymous Bruce said...

I have a question for question boy (whoever that is today) Or at least someone who stayed awake more than I did in science class.

When there is an electro-magnet charge it creates a redshift. When Red and Blue mix they make purple. Does this make sense why the sky turned purple? I would look it up on wikipedia but I never bookmarked wikipedia and in solidarity, will not bookmark until Justin says it is ok.

8:48 PM  
Blogger Claude said...

David3,

Welcome!
Justin's factual comments asside, I'd like to think the the Pearl was a diversion from the real ? on the BDMap, the barracks. The Pearl could just be a red herring.

The problem is that it doesn't matter at this point.

Paul,

I like the way you think.

Bruce,

Every millennium sees a dominating tyrant one whose soul burns for chaos and disorder. For whom all that is holy and cool-on-the-web lay dead in the shadows. To bookmark... is to remember... is to die.

Where is the chosen on, who dares to brake this bookmark-ocaust!?

9:31 PM  
Blogger Claude said...

Bruce,

The answer to your question is "no."

9:32 PM  
Anonymous You-Know-Who said...

Do a live podcast on talkshoe. Heres the link: http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/main.jsp?pushNav=1

10:37 PM  
Blogger Kent said...

@ jeri -

as an australian i can verify that yes healthcare is free but only to a certain extent. however to get better quality care, i.e. private rooms and better recovery services, then you can upgrade to have private health care cover.

tertiary education is free as well. but at the end of the degree you are left with a massive bill - it is repaid in incremental ammounts as soon as you earn over a certain income threshold.

claude - seatbelts are required to be worn by law. severe penalties including a loss of license can result from you or any one of your passengers from not wearing one. i know you were being sarcastic on that but anywho.

justin - i know you can't do russian, but what accents can you do? you and claude both couldn't do an australian or english accent to save your life. perhaps speak in your next podcast for 10 minutes using one accent.

12:06 AM  
Blogger Kent said...

claude -

might be of some interest -

http://www.medhunters.com/articles/
healthcareInAustralia.html

12:14 AM  
Blogger Justin said...

kent,

i think i can do a pretty good cockney accent. it doesn't come up too often, though.

5:52 AM  
Blogger Curt Yanko said...

A Lowdown SmackDown on TalkShoe!

Now I just have to create another 20 persona's and rig the election!

6:13 AM  
Blogger FeFeMartini said...

i would love a podcast about the spoilers, or rumors of what the writers are going to do and how you think it will affect the show...

6:26 AM  
Blogger FeFeMartini said...

I think tonight they'll finally reveal the truth (its all a reality show) :-P

7:47 AM  
Blogger Curt Yanko said...

at the very least, whatever we settle on for the show's topic and/or format I think it should be done at TalkShoe so you're loyal (and otherwise sick) listeners can join in live and maybe even chime in. The other upshot is that there is no post-production time needed!

8:44 AM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

curt,
you're making a good argument. i may have to change my vote.

9:09 AM  
Anonymous 420brownie said...

What up biatches???? Still trying to make it through the last podcast, but it's a classic, well worth the wait.

@ Paul in NYC- I'm really liking the naked omelette theory, but instead of an omelette, I think that crazy mystic chick was going to whip up a "special" batch of "naked brownies". Oh yea!! What????

Claude and Justin, great idea to do the contest. The comments have really picked up lately, and the interaction with you guys and the rest of the community has been a lot of fun.

I really like the live podcast idea, with some listener participation. That'd be super duper. I'm thinking a discussion on the periodic table would make for a great listen. Very interested in elements.

Spoiler-free again this week, I'm full-on spoiler free now- I'm convinced it's the way to go. It's not that hard because you guys are pretty much the only Lost podcast I listen to anymore and you're really good about being careful with spoilers. Well, I guess this week I'm not completely spoiler free, I know it's a Locke epi and I know it's the epi we find out about how he became paralyzed.

I definitely think Locke's stupid moves recently are set-ups for something bigger, hopefully revealed tonight.

9:31 AM  
Blogger phat_cartman said...

How about a podcast called the A to Z of Lost? You could spend a few minutes on each letter. Each letter could represent any of a number of things, like a theory, a character on the show, or any other tangent. It might ending up being incoherent, but if you could make some good transitions, it might work. (C=Charlie, I hate Charlie and hope he dies. E=electro magnetic pulse, discuss theories. etc...)

9:37 AM  
Blogger phat_cartman said...

420brownie,

Hi, my name is phat_cartman, and I have a spoiler problem. Congrats on being spoiler-free yourself! I've been spoiler free for 5 days, and it feels great. I too am psyched about the Locke freakyness that's been gradually escalating. I've always been suspicious of Locke. Remember he was introduced in season 1 as the Jester. The Jester acts stupid, but is devious. Doesn't that describe Locke's behaviour across all 3 seasons? Think about it.

C & J,

How about a podcast dedicated to Locke, covering all 3 seasons and any related theories. There'll be more material for it after tonight, too, I'm sure. Another idea for the contest is to cover the Parents of Losties. Could be a lot of material there as well.

9:56 AM  
Blogger FeFeMartini said...

I'm loving the A-Z idea myself... and I worry about a live podcast, because these boys have fans everywhere! So I'm not sure how to work around the time zone issue..

10:16 AM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

420 Brownie,
That mystical arts chick did seem the type to partake. hmm...

claude & bustin,
as an alterative, you could do a Wigs of Lost podcast discussing the horrible wigs we've seen on the show. we can make an exception for Achara's hair.

10:17 AM  
Blogger FeFeMartini said...

what wigs? you've lost me! (ooohh... no pun intended)

10:25 AM  
Blogger Claude said...

I think Paul is making a political reference.

The "Whigs" were one of the original political parties in America.

And as I've always said, Kate is a Whig.

10:50 AM  
Blogger FeFeMartini said...

ooooohhhhhhhhh..... well, now I feel dumb...

11:09 AM  
Blogger FeFeMartini said...

so what does archara's hair have to do with politics?

11:10 AM  
Blogger Curt Yanko said...

Time zones, schmine zones. Why exclude everyone because not everyone can make it? If this is a 'reward for the fans' why not allow those who can make it in? How cool would it be to be the one why quickly retorts, "WHAAATTTT?" after Claude tells us he is no Anthroposophist? ...or the now ubiquitous (I want points for these!) "I don't know, why not Kate"

Just because the show is recorded live doesn't mean you can't down load it and listen later like any other podcast, it just means we can roll with our host during the 'making of'.

go to Talkshoe and search for Cranky Fanatic, he does a live show right after it airs (eastern and central) which I participate in. You can listen to any of the old ones or jump in tonight!

11:18 AM  
Blogger FeFeMartini said...

true, I just don't want to miss it. I mean it could still be live and about the topics people have brought up.

11:33 AM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

fefe,
look at the wig that matthew fox is wearing when jack operates on sarah. other notable bad wigs: kate's when she is married to the cop, hurley's mom in Tricia Tanaka is Dead, claire in par avion.

11:39 AM  
Blogger FeFeMartini said...

paul said...

"look at the wig that matthew fox is wearing when jack operates on sarah. other notable bad wigs: kate's when she is married to the cop, hurley's mom in Tricia Tanaka is Dead, claire in par avion"

... so I think Jack just has ugly hair. Mens wigs are diffucult enought to find, let alone in the length he has.
Kate probably has bad extentions in that scene.
Hurley's mom... bad either way...
and Claire.. okay you win, that was for sure a wig. but it didn't look too bad

11:53 AM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

fefe,
it sounds like that is about as much as there is to dicuss about wigs. it looks like talkshow is our best alternative.

12:15 PM  
Blogger Claude said...

These ideas are all pretty good. But its all moot until we get those 30 unique posts. So far I've counted 10. (not too bad)


I like the A-Z. If we do it live, we could have a listener pick the topic from the current letter, and then Justin and I can discuss it. Spice things up a bit.

Cartman,

I think that much time devoted to Locke would be too depressing. I don't really want to think of how much he's fallen since season 1.

12:16 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

claude,
when is the deadline for the 30?

12:22 PM  
Anonymous Julia said...

Only half way through your podcast, since my day was rudely interrupted by a fire alarm and the building was evacuated. Don't they know I was listening to the Lost Lowdown and MUST NOT BE DISTURBED.

Anyway, one thing that struck me about Par Avion was Claire telling Charlie she didn't want liars around her baybee. What was Charlie going to lie to Aaron about anyway?
Perhaps "No Aaron, you're not freakishly huge for a 3 month old"

Idea for a podcast: Claude and Justin can only refer to each other as Question Boy and Answer Man.

12:57 PM  
Blogger Jeri said...

Now here would be a challenge: A podcast where Claude and Justin could only answer yes or no to any question posed. No, wait, that is not a challenge, that would be pure torture. Couldn't do that to you guys.. because... I like dogs.

1:14 PM  
Blogger FeFeMartini said...

37 posts and only 10 are good enough?! I'm kinda dissappointed.. I'll keep trying guys!

1:20 PM  
Blogger Claude said...

Fefe,

I'm only counting "unique" posts. So, there may be 37 or so posts, but they were by 10 people. So the goal of challenge is to get 30 "people" not just 30 posts.

2:00 PM  
Blogger FeFeMartini said...

ah, gotcha. well i feel better now :)

2:16 PM  
Anonymous Marshall said...

Hi everyone. I just wanted to say HI, and that I listen to your podcast every week (sometimes more than once). I enjoy it very much and keep up the good work!

Marshall

4:09 PM  
Anonymous Luber said...

In tonights episode we will learn that the dingbat formerly known as John Locke finds a lovely field with a family having a picnic, and there's a nice pond in it. He fills in the pond with concrete, he plough the family into the field, he blow up the tree, and use the leaves to make a dress his wife (who's also Sun's brother, vincent's gay friend, Zaid's twin and she has also been date-raped by that chinese guy we saw in the background, some episodes back.)

will there ever be too much of these connection? I think they use them too much, and the result is that they become less "shocking".


I think talkshoe is not a bad idea if it is a one time thingy. I will be in the chat for sure!

4:12 PM  
Anonymous Luber said...

and I must say, that Cher thing was priceless! "Hello, I'm Cher uuøuøøuøuøøhghh". Put that on the "best of lowdown podcast", or the musical maybe..

have fun with 'The Man From Tallahassee' tonight! I still like Locke, find him interesting at least. no lost without him!

4:26 PM  
Blogger David3 said...

I'm thinking a full commentary on the reverend and his drunk wife and their "simply amazing" podcast. I know Justin is a big fan.

What the hell ever happened to Mr. Podcast anyway?

5:05 PM  
Blogger Joe said...

Hey guys... thanks for the podcast... I finished just in time for the new episode... I'll reserve my contest suggestion until after I post a comment about "The Man From Talahassee", but I have to say that I think the live podcast idea is bad... With all due respects to Big-O and the Talented Rev. Ravenscrap, the live podcast always seems to turn into brief periods of everyone talking at once, sepearted by long, awkward pauses and poor audio quality... And it doesn't seem to fit into the style of The Lost Lowdown, it would annoy me to no end if a dozen people kept trying to set up certain recurring jokes...

Anyway, mark me down as a "unique" post and I'll be back later with an un-unique post about tonight's episode.

Later.

--Joe.

5:07 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

upon further consideration, i must agree with joe about talk shoe. ill post again after the episode.
is rev cliff's wife really a boozehound?

5:22 PM  
Blogger Claude said...

"...is rev cliff's wife really a boozehound?"

Only in the biblical sense.

5:44 PM  
Anonymous vicki h said...

http://www.medhunters.com/articles/healthcareInAustralia.html

i haven't read the website but it gives info on healthcare.

5:53 PM  
Blogger David3 said...

"...is rev cliff's wife really a boozehound?"

Probably not, but she plays one on TV, I mean, a podcast.

5:55 PM  
Anonymous vicki h said...

when will Mr. Podcast be back? Miss it!

5:58 PM  
Anonymous vicki h. said...

the official lost podcast is out. damon and carlton said that Locke is on a mission to blow up things.

6:01 PM  
Blogger David3 said...

The official podcast also gave an explanation as to why the sonic weapon fence took a few moments to kill Mikey. It may not be at full power.

6:04 PM  
Anonymous vicki h. said...

david3- are you talking about generally speaking podcast? if so i just think she is tired. and when you really tired you get the giggles.

6:05 PM  
Anonymous vicki h said...

on the official podcast carlton was playing with our minds and saying that patchy might not be dead. i don't like when they do that.

6:07 PM  
Blogger David3 said...

I was just referring to an old joke Justin had on one of the old podcasts.

6:08 PM  
Anonymous vicki h. said...

i remember that. i told them to listen to the podcast b/c i thought it was good. but it was funny saying she was a boozer. LOL

6:10 PM  
Anonymous vicki h said...

why don't you guys put up a forum. that would be fun...

6:15 PM  
Blogger Claude said...

As far as Mr. Podcast:

We've been wanting to do another one for a while now. We might put one together in the next few weeks. But I think the summer is more the time that we can do Mr. Podcast.

6:16 PM  
Blogger Claude said...

Vicki H, you made my day.

Justin and I have discussed the idea of a forum. Right, Justin?

Suffice it to say, one is in the works.

6:43 PM  
Blogger Claude said...

David3, thanks for joining the Frappr!

6:44 PM  
Anonymous MekareQ said...

Okay, I agree that a commentary would be cool, you wouldn't have to do every episode, even one would be cool!

The song is:

Goin' on a Wolf Walk,
It's a Beautiful Day,
Got my Camera,
Uh oh! It's a great big puddle!
Can't Go Over It!
Can't Go Under It!
Gotta go THROUGH IT!
**Splash Splash Splash**

Love you guys, you totally rock!

Hugs! Mekare Q

8:05 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

woah. what an episode. wow. i mean woah. jeez. it wore me out. i think. i mean wow. what?

8:12 PM  
Anonymous visit turkey? said...

i think whoever produced that turkey tourism commerical is a lost addict or maybe i am because all i saw was lost in it. an opening shot of a large white sail sailboat flashes before your eyes. from the foamy beach scenes and bright blue skies, to the lush green forest shots, and underwater scenery brimming with wildlife. from the ancient ruins to the balloon slowly drifting through the bluffs. lost allusions abound. even the whirling dervishes in their crisp white gowns brought visions of the others at colleen's funeral.

8:31 PM  
Blogger Joe said...

HOLY FUCKING SHIT

That was tremendous

Seriously, this is getting really good

When Ben said "Bring me the man from Talahassee" my first thought was: There's no way Anthony Cooper is on that island. I can't wait to see how this plays out.

My theory: "That guy from Suddenly Susan" is Ben's personal collector. Ben says, "Go get me someone who can impregnate a male mouse"... so he goes and gets Juliette... Ben says, "Go get me a dude in a giant baloon"... here comes Henry Gale... Ben says, "Go get me a lottery winner, a washed-up rock star and an Australian girl who makes squinchy faces"... hello Flight 815... AND Ben says, "Go get me the world's greatest con man"... Anthony Cooper arrives.

That guy is the "magic box".

Anyway, I'm still processing that episode... so let me leave my contest suggestion before I go back for a re-watch. My suggestion is a little complicated, so in true "Lost Lowdown" tradition, I'll take way too long to explain it:

You guys can do your regular podcast except before you discuss a scene, you have to re-enact that scene, doing imitaions of every character involved (including exaggerated accents and extra catch phrases, where applicable).

Oh, that didn't take very long to explain... you can use the time I just saved you to practice your Eastern European Rousseau accent.

by the way, did I mention that episode BLEW MY FUCKING MIND

8:32 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

joe,
ditto.
speechless...

8:35 PM  
Blogger David3 said...

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8:45 PM  
Blogger David3 said...

Wow! Pretty good episode. I like the idea that suddenly susan is the box. Maybe even Ben requested a spinal surgeon from him.

Locke's dad is like, "what, you can walk, what?"

I thought the barracks were landlocked in the middle of the island. Alex is like, "oh no, take 3 steps left through the brush and we're on the water." Either they screwed up, or there are some underwater tunnels.

8:46 PM  
Blogger Claude said...

Yeah that was pretty ridiculously good. There will be ALOT to talk about.

First time in a long time where BOTH of the plot lines were great.

Leave it to Locke to give us one of the best episodes of the season.

11:38 PM  
Anonymous radnac said...

THAT WAS AMAZING!! THIS IS WHAT LOST IS ALL ABOUT!! It was crazy, funny, creepy, and just out-there! Don't tell me the writers don't know what they're doing!!...
_____________________________

Anyway, I won't go into all the sappy stuff right now; just a few thoughts:

1. I think that Ben doesn't fully understand the island, but once he discovered that Locke had been healed, has an intimate connection with the island, and is related to one of their captured, Ben decides to study/experiment with Locke in order to understand the Island. It's the ultimate plan: get someone "on the inside" to be the mediator between you and the island!

2. Was Anthony/Adam Cooper really the smoke monster or was he 'real'?

3. (My VERY Crazy Theory):

Was Ben part of an experiment in which his parents agreed to give birth to him on the island, then leave him there at some point in an attempt to find out if a child can develop and survive and build a community without the influence of parents/family and daddy issues? Was Jacob his father/Ben his successor? Or were "Adam and Eve" his parents who were possibly killed by the smoke monster? When Ben grew up did he meet Danielle after she crashed...and had a child?
_____________________________

As for the contest, I'm fine with a commentary or a live podcast. I can't think of anything else as of now...

6:09 AM  
Blogger FeFeMartini said...

this podcast is going to have to be like 10 hours.... such a good episode...

6:43 AM  
Blogger David3 said...

If I'm Jack I'm saying, "if the sub was the only way to and from this island, then where the fuck are Michael and Walt?"

If the sub wouldn't have been able to come back because of the sky turning purple, then they Michael and Walt must have never gotten on it.

7:30 AM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

still speechless...

7:46 AM  
Blogger FeFeMartini said...

so when Locke's dad pushes him through the window, it looked to me like he should have gone with him. like with the way he pushed Locke he shouldn't have been able to keep his balance and stay in the building... any thoughts anyone?

7:56 AM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

i was thinking that too, fefe. maybe the part of the wall under the window knocked locke's balance off since his back was to the window. that same part of the wall would have prevented his dad from falling out. I dunno.. i have to rewatch. again and again.

8:03 AM  
Blogger FeFeMartini said...

why did Locke go with them to begin with? he didnt know about the c4 until they were almost there. so what was his original motivation to go?

8:22 AM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

fefe,
when ben was captive in the hatch, after he was outed by sayid, he told locke that he was originally coming to take locke back with him, that they think locke is worthy or something like that. since locke has a strong connection to the island and obviously wants to stay there, he was probably motivated by that speech that ben had given to him.

8:32 AM  
Blogger FeFeMartini said...

ohhhhhhhhh... makes sense

10:04 AM  
Anonymous jane doe said...

hey guys, love the podcast! this is my first comment, though (have you reached 30 unique comments yet?)

anyway, i was worried during the fall that Lost was going downhill (not that would have deterred me from watching, I'm too obsessed for that). But now they're showing all these awesome episodes back to back. It's crazy and I love it!

A question: why was ben relying on locke to blow up the submarine? does he have desmond-like flashes before his eyes and know that locke would come and save the day with some stolen C-4? Because if he really didn't want Jack and Juliet to escape, why wasn't he scheming to find a way to prevent it all that time? Was he always going to let them go and just lucked out that Locke was on a mission to blow up the island piece by piece?

McCutcheon whiskey: The official drink of rich, yet horrible fathers everywhere.

1:33 PM  
Blogger FeFeMartini said...

i think he had realized he had no way of not letting them go, and was coming to terms with it when Locke comes in and saves (blows up) everything! Whoooo!!!

2:25 PM  
Anonymous vicki h said...

if the only way off the island is the submarine. What happened to Mike and Walt? They went by boat

2:30 PM  
Blogger phat_cartman said...

jane doe-
Good question! I suspect he asked "the box" to make it happen or something. Maybe that's what happened to flight 815?? He went to the box, asked to be cured of the tumor, and BAM "a spinal surgeon fell out of the sky... now what are the odds of that happening?" Ben's own words. Thoughts?

2:41 PM  
Blogger phat_cartman said...

Could be the box changes the probability of things happening, rather than some freaky magic or other science they would be hard pressed to explain. The explanation will still be tricky, but they'll probably say the Atlanteans invented it or some shit like that. Ya? Just like Hurley's dad said, "you gotta make your own luck" and a lot of that has appeared to happen. That's my thought anyhow.

2:44 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

vicki,
i wondered the same thing. could it be that when they were told that they would "find rescue" that ben meant they would find their way to the submarine? or could they have sent them off to their doom?

2:59 PM  
Blogger Malcolm said...

sorry i haven't posted in a while, my neighbors secured their wifi.

i loved this episode! best of the season, and top 5 ever.

i think that if we can get 30 unique posters, us lost lowdown listeners should make a forum. they aren't that hard to make, and managing them is pretty easy, as long as they aren't HUGE.

podcast wise, i have another idea for the prize. during the hiatus, preferably every week, but once a month is ok too, you take some of the most interesting mysteries, and do a podcast about your ideas on it. i also like the lld a to z idea, live podcast, and i wouldn't mind an 8 hour podcast of you guys ramblin'.

4:04 PM  
Anonymous jane doe said...

phat_cartman--

yeah i think that's possible, but hard to know since we don't know much about the box. can you ask for something and recieve it, or does it act more randomly. does it grant everyone's deepest desires or just the "good" people? was ben even telling the whole truth about this metaphorical box?

i was pondering it today and decided that maybe ben really was going to let them go, albeit begrudgingly since he told locke he couldn't break a promise as it would make him look bad. so when locke approached him about the submarine he saw his way out. and being the master manipulator that ben is, he acted like he wanted to talk locke out of it, to make sure locke would go through with it. (after all, wasn't it sawyer who said something about a great con is when you make the person believe it's their idea?)

4:39 PM  
Blogger David3 said...

The others have a game room? What? Dharma pinball anyone?

6:03 PM  
Anonymous mekareq said...

Okay, this is an insane theory, but it has been running through my head bugging me all day.

My weird theory: Cooper was on the plane when it crashed. My backup to this? Cooper was drinking McCutcheon whiskey in the flashback. There was McCutcheon whiskey on the plane. Why would a plane have whiskey that expensive on it? Certainly not to serve. It might have been in a passenger's baggage though. Why was Cooper in Australia? We know he fled the states to no-one knows where... why not Australia? I doubt he would know that his son was on the same continent, I imagine that he was running some kind of con. Directing a fake psychic maybe? It's part of cold reading, you have an accomplice gather information from a mark, then feed that info to the psychic, who makes it seem like they just "had a flash." The person interacting with marks has to be very charming, very charismatic. They literally have to be the highest level of conperson. This connects to Claire, her father lived in the states, but was about to have a grandson adopted out to strangers. Could Christian somehow have known about Cooper's psychic racket (if there was one)? Could he have tapped him to trick Claire to America, where he might have adopted his grandson? I know that's stupid, but it would explain why Cooper was on the plane (if he was). He was making absolutely sure Claire got to LA safely, ensuring whatever fee he was charging. This might also have been why Christian was on the scene, to be on hand if for whatever reason he was needed. Which brings me to Sawyer, someone refresh my memory, but do we know why Sawyer was in Australia, I completely have a mental block there. Is it at all possible he was following a lead on the "real Sawyer?" We know that he was given a false "real Sawyer," but does that his original information was incorrect, or perhaps that someone just manipulated him to an aim more to their benefit than his? So, how about it, was Cooper on the plane? Was there anyone unaccounted for on the plane, or stolen from the tail section?

Sorry for the crazy post, like I said, this theory was beginning to drive me crazy. Sorry if this wasted anyone's time.

MekareQ

9:01 PM  
Anonymous Bruce said...

Evangeline Lily on Letterman Thursday night - most likely a repeat.

9:55 PM  
Anonymous You-Know-Who said...

Hmmm... interesting theory mekareq.
Something that would be really cool is that Anthony Cooper has some connection to Dharma or the Others and knew about the island all along.
I have this feeling that Locke is connected to Others in a way that he or any of the other survivors don't yet know. Maybe he's been with the Others on the island before and has been brainwashed to forget his time there. The fact that Locke's parents gave him away and his mother says he was immaculately conceived is strange and suggests something mysterious with his birth. Maybe his parents were once on the island and he was born through some kind of experimentation. I dunno, I just think Locke has some previous connection to the island.

12:37 AM  
Blogger Justin said...

If Cooper was on the plane, how did Locke not see him?

I thought the McCutcheon came from the Dharma drop and not the plane. I don't think it was explicitly stated, though.

5:16 AM  
Blogger Claude said...

The whiskey shouldn't be Dharma related. It's not branded as such...

7:35 AM  
Blogger Justin said...

The apollo bars don't have the dharma logo either, but they were in the hatch.

7:43 AM  
Blogger Stu said...

Yo! I love ya guys, but the Jay and Jack attack a couple weeks back almost lost me as a fan.

Anyway, best of luck, glad you got your 30 posted comments inthe bag as well.

Oh, and as for Man from Tallahassee.... UBER! Freaking hate Locke now, but great eppy!

8:18 AM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

Mekare Q,
"Which brings me to Sawyer, someone refresh my memory, but do we know why Sawyer was in Australia, I completely have a mental block there. Is it at all possible he was following a lead on the "real Sawyer?" We know that he was given a false "real Sawyer," but does that his original information was incorrect, or perhaps that someone just manipulated him to an aim more to their benefit than his?"


From what i recall, Robert Patrick, the guy who played the bad robot in Terminator 2, was the one who told Sawyer that the "real Sawyer" was in Australia. When Sawyer found the "real Sawyer" in some random part of the outback where he was running a crab or shrimp stand.
That's where he killed him, only to discover as the guy was dying that he shot the wrong man. The Robert Patrick character had conned our Sawyer into killing someone he wanted dead.

I hope that refreshes your memory.

9:22 AM  
Blogger Claude said...

Justin,

Good point, but the Apollo bars didn't cost $50,000+.

Stu,

Glad that the Jay/Jack thing didn't putt you off too much. It was aiming to be a mild jab. A friendly "Oops I pushed you into the sonic field. How was I supposed to know?"

10:08 AM  
Blogger Joe said...

Hey everyone... activity on this comments section has been awesome, just about every comment has been advancing this conversation... well done boys and girls.

By my count, we are up to 24 unique posters, and it's only Friday... I say we're home free by Sunday morning. (My 24 is counting Claude and Justin, I think that's within the rules).

I've been thinking about why Anthony Cooper was on the island, and after some discussion with fellow Lost fanatics at work I think that he was brought to the island as an extreme example of a "bad" person - someone Ben (or Jacob) could present to their people as an illustration of why they should stay on the island and continue their "work" and to show them what the outside world is capable of... Which raises (not begs) the question: Is it just a coincidence that Locke (and all the other Losties, for various reasons) came to this island at this time, or was it orchestrated? I know that at this point the plane crash has been explained as coincidence (or just bad luck) but remember, we haven't even met Jacob yet and the way the Others talk about him, he just might be capable of something like that.

Any thoughts?

10:17 AM  
Blogger Claude said...

Joe,

You're getting close to a theory that I have that will surely rock the boat. It's not without its problem, but it explains A LOT.

I hope you're getting your coworkers to listen to the LLD...

And I don't think it's fair to count Justin and myself in the challenge. Otherwise that would mean that we could also "win" the prize, and there are state laws about contest organizers winning their own contest. But I don't think it will matter in the end.

10:34 AM  
Blogger Justin said...

Maybe it's a cheap knockoff?

Just doesn't seem like something that was on the plane. I know that doesn't help at all.

11:13 AM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

claude,
any idea when the new podcast will be ready?

In regards to Anthony Cooper being on flight 815, I don't see how that could be. He threw Locke out the window in Los Angeles. The detectives said he had flown to Mexico and could be anywhere. I can see him going to Australia, but I can't see why he would fly back to LA when the cops are waiting for him for trying to kill Locke, the scam he tried to pull on Peter Talbot's mom, and possibly for the murder of Peter Talbot.

12:09 PM  
Blogger Claude said...

Paul,

Yes.

12:22 PM  
Anonymous Julia said...

WOOO! 100th post!

Simply amazing episode. Didn't see that one coming. Why do I think Locke is great and want to strangle him at the same time? he is one unstable guy, but who can blame him.

12:33 PM  
Anonymous Alice said...

Hi,
Just wanted to say I love the show. Although I still listen to other Lost podcasts, its more of a habit that I listen to them while doing other stuff on the internet. With your podcast, I really look forward to listening to it, and actually stop doing anything else while I do so.
Please keep making me laugh!

12:36 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

thanks claude. when should fefe and i expect it to be ready? or will we suffer another long painful death?

12:37 PM  
Anonymous Julia said...

This podcast is going to be crazy like 12 hours long... SO much to discuss.

12:51 PM  
Blogger Claude said...

Paul et al,

Justin and I are recording in a few short hours. Depending on how long we record, Justin (it's his turn) might be able to edit and post it tonight. Otherwise it will be up tomorrow.

1:09 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

thanks for the update claude.

justin,
i loved the bird voices :)

thanks for the great work guys.

i am really looking forward to hearing your thoughts on this episode.

later.

2:53 PM  
Anonymous You-Know-Who said...

Joe:

"I've been thinking about why Anthony Cooper was on the island, and after some discussion with fellow Lost fanatics at work I think that he was brought to the island as an extreme example of a "bad" person - someone Ben (or Jacob) could present to their people as an illustration of why they should stay on the island and continue their "work" and to show them what the outside world is capable of..."

I think thats a good theory Joe, but I think the reason Anthony is there has to be more connected to Locke.
I've heard some people say that Anthony is the smoke monster showing Locke his worst fear. I think it would be really crappy to leave us on that cliffhanger and then show us that he's not really there and it's just an illusion, I want a really compelling and plausible reason why he is on the island. Sadly I think next week is going to be only about the people on the beach (though it does look awesome).

3:01 PM  
Anonymous jane doe said...

locke didn't see anthony cooper because it was his worst fear, but because it is what he most desired. (didn't ben say the metaphorical box shows you what you most want to see?)

plus, he was bound and gagged. i think locke wanted to be able to see his dad for once and not be afraid of him-- to know that he was decidedly not a threat and to have a position of power over him. think about it-locke's never seen his dad remorseful, guilty, or showing any kind of fear. maybe the box is affording locke the ability to exact some kind of revenge on anthony cooper and depending on if he sinks to that level will determine his character as good or bad?

3:50 PM  
Anonymous You-Know-Who said...

Well Ben did say earlier in the episode that Locke wanted to stay on the island because it was the only place his dad couldn't find him. So I would assume that seeing his dad on island wouldn't be what Locke desires.

5:50 PM  
Anonymous 420brownie said...

Wow, the comments are blowing up. Claude, I was glad to see you mention that a message board might be in the works- will really be nice if it happens.

Like everyone else has already said, a great, awesome episode. Probably in my top 5. So much going on, so many answers coming at us, so many new questions as well...just awesome.

So is the box a real, physical thing, or just a metaphor? And how the hell did Cooper get on the island? Two really big questions. I hope it doesn't take too long to get the answers. I'm sure you guys will be talking about both in great length.

Looks like we've got a new story arch with Locke, Ben and Cooper. Should be really interesting.

Can't wait to hear the podcast.

7:46 PM  
Anonymous 419brownie said...

Hey guys. Long time listener, first time poster. Just wanted to stop by and say that I love you guys.

My idea for the contest prize is for you guys to do one on the smoke monster, what is that thing anyway?

Hmmm, looks like there's some other cat posting here and by the looks of his name, he's some kind of hippy freak. Just to be clear, I ain't that guy!

9:13 PM  
Anonymous Bruce said...

GOOD does not mean GOOD moral character but rather GOOD for what the project entails. Obviously if I am looking to cure cancer, I would need cancer patients. Thus if you have cancer, you are GOOD for my project, however of course having cancer is not GOOD.

Anthony Cooper is John Locke's father, which means they share DNA.

The person who has shown to have the highest ethical and moral character is arguable Jack Shepard (anyone wish to argue). - Not on the list.

Who has the lowest moral and ethical character - Ben.

2:37 AM  
Blogger mark said...

I just left a comment on the last blog entry and I'm not sure if that 'counts' toward your challenge. Anyway, I think that I've been reluctant to send you feedback for fear I would disturb your (back-and-forth) creative process! One reason your podcast is so much better than others is that you can keep an interesting conversation going (and becoming more and more exciting) for a long time without interruption from annoying callers. That's why I can listen for hours (and hours)! Also impressive is how both of you can come up with and examine the most elaborate theories. Nothing would please me more than to hear a special podcast dedicated to reviewing (and shooting down) possible explanations for what's going on on that island.

9:34 AM  
Blogger Dr Quatermass said...

Hello! Reckon it has to be a podcast on the general story and what's going on! Let's have an attempt to tie it together.
I think using the failsafe knocked out the power on the giant hamster holding pens in the 'underworld' and they're gonna make it to the surface running rampage chomping the losties etc (boy, Desmond is going to freak out when he has a vision of Charlie being sat on by a giant hamster!).
Live podcast ain't a good idea for us johnny foreigners! (I'm from Scotland).
Irrelevantly McCutcheon whiskey can't be that expensive a shot, they had a bottle of it in Desmonds pub behind the bar. Now, 'normal' pubs just don't sell whiskey worth more than a few quid. Ta

6:10 PM  
Anonymous 420brownie said...

Prepare to be blown away bitches. I'm sure someone else has had this thought, but it just occurred to me that Cooper could have very likely gotten caught on the island as the result of our most recent "not pushing the button incident". Which by the way, was the direct result of Locke's actions. Co-inki-dink? The one Locke caused went on longer than the one Desmond caused that brought down 815, seems very plausible that this one drew in some new guests.

After rewatching, I'm convinced that the box Ben describes is entirely metaphorical. And I think whether you're told about the box is dependent entirely if you are on "the list". I can imagine some pretty bad consequences for "bad people" having access to "the box". Makes sense, heh? Are you feeling blown away yet?

Aside from the new story with Cooper on the island, I wonder how Jack's and Juliette's failure to leave the island will affect that whole story line.

Ahh, so many questions. My head's starting to hurt. Later.

8:39 PM  
Anonymous 420brownie said...

Did anyone else get the feeling that when Locke was giving his speech to Ben about being cheaters, pharisees, etc., that it sounded like something ol' smokey would want to say to Ben? And what do you guys think about Locke's line during that scene where he says something like, ..."and if you knew what this place REALLY was..."? What does Locke understand the island to be?

8:48 PM  
Blogger Claude said...

Hey guys,

Justin and I just finshed a MARATHON podcast. It will be up tomorrow (Sunday).


It will be well worth the wait!

9:27 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

420Brownie,
"The one Locke caused went on longer than the one Desmond caused that brought down 815, seems very plausible that this one drew in some new guests."

Who else do you think may have been drawn in besides Anthony Cooper?

9:27 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

woohoo!

9:28 PM  
Anonymous You-Know-Who said...

woah, how marathon to you mean Claude?

9:48 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

does justin's bird voice make an encore appearance?

3:38 AM  
Blogger Malcolm said...

i could have counted wrong, but i think i counted 20 something posters. only about 5 more! yaaaaaayyyy!

8:52 AM  
Blogger Malcolm said...

i have a theory about danielle.

so a lot of people think that she is a mole. i think that that is ridiculous, for many reasons. i do however think that her story is full of shit.

i think that at some point, wii will see juliet's mark on danielle's lower back, implying that she was once a member of the others, but did something wrong to get banned from them. my theory is that she was with ben, and maybe had an affair with a certain other: robert. she was locked up and held in bad conditions until alex was born, and then she was branded, and thrown outside the sonic wall. ben didn't have the same relationship with ben, so he was executed.

i'm sure you guys can find some holes in this theory, but i think it's pretty solid.

9:09 AM  
Anonymous 420brownie said...

My breath is heavy from waiting with so much bait!!

4:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

way to keep up with the season guys. very impressive.
i also love Claude's "bird" voice. maybe the prize should be that Claude has to do an entire 5+ hour podcast in the "bird" voice.
or actually. i'd love for you two to sit down and each write up a master theory for the show and share it. It has to be as inclusive as possible and really get at the heart of the show.

DJ Mr. Monkey MD

4:20 PM  
Blogger Claude said...

Guys, the podcast should be up later tonight, probably after 11pm EST.

Please don't die.

6:08 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

justin,
i'm looking at you.

8:06 PM  
Anonymous You-Know-Who said...

uhhh, whats going on with the podcast?

11:06 PM  
Anonymous Bruce said...

I am getting a 404 error - are you still uploading?

12:12 AM  
Blogger Claude said...

Sorry, it's fixed now...

1:10 AM  
Anonymous Bruce said...

Claude:
Seriously dude - you don't have to say you are sorry. Justin and your commentary and breakdown of LOST brings back memories of college. (When we gathered in small groups trying to figure out the big picture and the smallest details of the subject of the day.

2:18 AM  
Blogger Justin said...

here it is!

enjoy it in its 6 hour 17 minute glory.

sorry for the delay.

5:46 AM  
Anonymous bob m. said...

Wow! A six-hour podcast, and we aren't even at the finale yet. Sorry I haven't posted in a while.

Claude,
Just listened to the first hour, and I have to say that I'll be waiting for that BSG podcast. At very least, you need to do a post somewhere with your thoughts for the season. And tell Justin that he needs to start watching since it is a well-written show.

As for Lost...let me say that I thought this last episode was about the best of the series so far. The very end just about made my head explode.

Here is my suggestion for our "prize". I would like to hear a podcast where you took one person's flashbacks and tried to put them together in the correct chronological order. It could even be a "flashback only" character such as Claire's phychic. I think it would be interesting to disect the timeline from a flashback perspective.

Looking forward to listening to the rest of the podcast.

6:29 AM  
Blogger Justin said...

Bob,

I actually want to watch it. But right now my time is kind of tied up with some other show...

I think over the hiatus I should be able to watch it.

7:19 AM  
Blogger FeFeMartini said...

7 and a half hours left of work before i can go home to listen to the podcast... this is torture...

7:33 AM  
Anonymous Lauren said...

hey you guys are too funny! ive been listening for a long time, im on the frapper map and now im commenting. anything else i need to do to keep you guys podcasting, ill do it. also, claude i knew exactly what you were doing when you were making that cher impression noise. you are not alone! although it is more of a "hooooo" than a "whooooaa" anyway, keep up the great work, i love it!!

8:51 AM  
Blogger Claude said...

Bob M,

The last BSG episode was strangely on par with "Man from Tallahassee." Some big revelations, as crazy as Cooper showing up.

And welcome back, we've missed you...

10:46 AM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

i think Locke was just sweaty but the guys here at work think there is another explanation for him being so "drenched" when he came out the submarine? what do you guys think?

3:06 PM  
Blogger Claude said...

Paul,

No one is that sweaty. At least not without a medical condition.

Justin and I talk about why Locke was so wet in the podcast, but I don't think we actually came up with a viable theory. (It doesn't make a lot of sense at this point)

3:14 PM  
Anonymous 420brownie said...

Wooowwww. I made it through! Was on the road a bunch today, so I had a lot of time to listen- lucky me!!

I sorta think the island itself is the box, and I tend to think that it makes things "appear" by, I believe you guys referred to it as, engineering certain events. Ties in nicely with my theory that the last failure to press the button incident resulted in Cooper's crash on the island. I think Locke's "communion" with the island caused the island to put the wheels in motion that led to Cooper coming to the island.

4:31 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

thanks claude.

i havent gotten to that part of the podcast yet.

is there a justin bird voice part that i get to look forward to?

maybe he lost use of his legas again (like right before boone went into yemi's plane) and he fell into the water.

5:06 PM  
Blogger Black Rock said...

Immaculately concepted? Concepted? WHAT?!

5:49 PM  
Blogger stephen said...

Jesus 6 hours? You guys are awesome.

7:59 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

i just finished the podcast. good job guys.

claude i liked your thoughts on how locke could have been so wet :).

strangely enough, about 10 days ago i booked a july 4th trip to vegas... weird

10:55 PM  
Anonymous radnac said...

Claude I totally agree with your comments on Locke and his reaction as he peers throgh the doorway. While I was watching Wednesday night it threw me off because I was expecting him to be suprised as soon as he got a good look. Anyway...

I came up with an ever-growing list of what the Box could be:

THE BOX IS...

-the Monster
-a literal box
-the outside world
-a God-like being
-Anthony Cooper
-the Island
-something we've never known of until now
-a cheap cop-out explanation for every loose end in the storyline
-

feel free to add more...

5:48 AM  
Blogger Black Rock said...

I'm sure that whatever this 'box' is, it's complicated!

11:14 AM  
Anonymous laura said...

I loved this episode. I thought they gave us a great answer to 'how Locke got paralyzed'. I totally did not see that coming!

Love the podcast!

11:39 AM  
Blogger David3 said...

I can't believe George slept with Izzie! Oh wait. This isn't the Grey's Anatomy comments section? Sorry.

Just finished the podcast, guys. Great as always. I have some thoughts. I'll post them when I think of them. I know that sound weird, but whatever.

3:06 PM  
Anonymous 420brownie said...

Damon and Carlton had some interesting comments in their last podcast. Confirmed that the box is a metaphor. The part where they explain how Michael Emerson's story arch went from originally 3 episodes to what it has become was very, very interesting. I think it might help explain why all that bit with Ben trying to convince Locke not to push the button doesn't all add up- that it was all done a bit on the fly so I could see there being some loose ends. Also, sounds like tomorrow night's episode is going to be...interesting. Hopefully in a good way, but I have some worries.

7:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey guys it's me Rebell(thats ReBELL ,like the verb.You got it right Claude!) About Michael,I have a kid and if he was stolen by a cult (HEY,that's basically what the others are right?)I would Kill to get him back.Cause no one,NO ONE,is as important to me as him.Not my Dad,not my friends nobody...and you know what?they'd all just better understand.It'd be like "sorry I gotta kill you but my son..." and they'd better say " (sigh) I understand,but can't you just.. " then BANG! Just a little insight into a parents mind,scary huh?

8:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rebell again,How about the prize be a call in episode of your podcast? It'd be one big clusterf**k of Lost talk.It'd be awesome!

9:09 PM  
Anonymous Bruce said...

If someone told you to think about something and it will materialize does it make a difference if it is in a box or just there?

If one could wish for anything and it would appear, would not Ben ask for a motorized tricked out scooter and not a low tech wheelchair.

12:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rebell here, Maybe the magic box Idea is like the movie the secret,(but real if you don't believe in it , WAAAY better if you do ). LIke,you want/need something then YES it comes to you but in a seemingly natural way.Like Ben's version of "the Box" seems to be he needs something (a spinal surgeon,the sub blown up)then it comes to him BUT in a perfectly normal way.He does seem to me to atribute these things to the island or god. Now Lockes version seems ALOT more powerful and supernatural,Making him "special".As if he we're more in tune with island than Ben.Anyway, because of Ben's seeming version of the magic box I think Anthony Cooper COULD have come in a natural way AND have been manifested by the island.LOL,what if the writers watched the secret and thought "hmmm, that's what we'll do!" LMAO

1:18 AM  
Blogger phat_cartman said...

420Brownie,
Thanks for the info re: the interview. I suspected, but didn't know they had confirmed it was a metaphorical box.

Anonymous,
I agree that the 'box' makes things happen in a natural way. Call it a probability modifier :)

5:12 AM  
Blogger Justin said...

Well, guys, by my count, Rebell makes 30 "unique" comments (not including myself and Claude).

Congratulations. Give yourself a back slap.

7:30 AM  
Blogger Claude said...

Needless to say we're blown away by the number of posts. 155!

You guys are great!

If you haven't already, get in your prize ideas. Justin and I will announce what the prize is in the next podcast!

9:12 AM  
Blogger phat_cartman said...

As far as Locke's reaction at the end, I personally am buying Justin's take on it. I think Cooper was already there, and it took a moment for Locke to register what he saw. Either that or they took creative license there; it did make me wonder at first though.

If you think of all the things that are unusually lucky, can they all be related to the box somehow? Maybe those people have some kind of tie to The Island that we're not aware of yet. I'm thinking about Julia impregnating her sister. Jack miraculously fixing Sarah. These things all occur off-island. Thoughts?

6:25 AM  
Blogger phat_cartman said...

As far as Locke's reaction at the end, I personally am buying Justin's take on it. I think Cooper was already there, and it took a moment for Locke to register what he saw. Either that or they took creative license there; it did make me wonder at first though.

If you think of all the things that are unusually lucky, can they all be related to the box somehow? Maybe those people have some kind of tie to The Island that we're not aware of yet. I'm thinking about Julia impregnating her sister. Jack miraculously fixing Sarah. These things all occur off-island. Thoughts?

6:25 AM  
Blogger Lara said...

My "unique" comment is that I love listening to your show. You keep me laughing. I love your crazy theories and even yelling at the radio (ipod) when I disagree.

8:51 PM  

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