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posted by Justin at 5/02/2007 04:32:00 PM
Wednesday, May 02, 2007
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great episode, i think cliff just shat on his webcam
Based on what Richard Alpert was saying to Locke:
Do you think that Richard Alpert is part of the group that wants to usurp and/or kill Ben?
Do you think Juliet's video plea to Jack was legit?
Do you think the next destination for the Others will have some sort of connection to the 4 toed statue like this campsite did?
Does anyone know if there is some sort of biblical reference with Locke carrying his dead father's body on his back?
Okay, SOMEONE needs to give Jack a swift kick in the ass. seriously.
If the first 6 episodes of s3 sucked, these last ones are sure making up for it.
Finally a Lostie knows about Locke's paralysis and the possible magical-ness (?) of the island.
I didn't read any spoilers, but it was obvious from the beginning that Locke wanted Sawyer to kill Anthony Cooper and that he was in fact the real Sawyer. And yet the episode was still totally awesome. Go figure.
So Richard Alpert is tired of Ben, and Juliet hates Ben... is this a revolting faction of the Others? Or are they just individually annoyed by him and haven't commiserate amongst themselves?
Also, thank God the box is trully metaphorical and that the fertility problem isn't the end all mission of the Others.
what does danielle rousseau plan to do with the dynamite?
When I was a 10-year-old-little girl (only about 15 years ago) my father would put on radio shows for me to fall asleep to. Anthony Cooper's theory of the island reminded me of one of them:
Many people arrive at a beautiful island resort, but the story only involves three of them, a gambler, a roving husband, and a nagging wife. The resort was amazing. It had everything, beautiful waitresses, a world class casino. Paradise on an Island. Everything.
The host welcomes them, and gives them all a free token to play the slots. The wife tosses hers away, and starts nagging at her husband (why don't we vacation more often, why don't you wear a *modern* set of bathing trunks, etc.) The husband begins (as is his custom) joking about how he wished his wife would leave him or someone would steal her away, and checks out some beautiful women. He gives his token to the gambler. The gambler puts his money in the machine, and immediately begins winning. The husband hits on a woman, and picks her up. Everyone is happy (I forget what the wife was doing right then, but she was happy too).
It's about a week and a half into the vacation, and the two men are miserable. The gambler hasn't lost a single bet and is not happy about it. What is the point of playing, if there is no chance at all of losing? And the rover is tired of meaningless sex. He makes a bored comment about wanting to get rid of his wife, who won't stop bugging him, and the gambler, trying to prove that he is as lucky as he says he is, bets he can take the man's wife away. The man laughingly accepts the bet, and boasts that nothing can steal his wife away.
The wife immediately falls in love with the gambler, who is made miserable by the wife, who leaves her husband. The husband is devestated at his loss, although he wanted every woman, he only really wanted his wife.
The gambler goes to the host, and demands leave away from the paradise of the island. The host mocks him. Didn't he know where he was? He was in hell. Their plane smashed into a mountain, there were no survivors. Go play some more games. Hit on your latest 'winnings,' here's some more chips, you'll never lose again.
Wonder why I had trouble sleping as a child?
Wow. Thats all I can say. Wow.
Really great episode...
...That scene with Anthony Cooper (real Sawyer) and Sawyer which ends with sawyer eventually choking him to death was so intense. Great acting especially on Josh's part. I would love to do a scene like that. I'm sure it will go down as one of the great scenes in the series.
That was a interesting at the end there when Jack and Juliet were acting all weird.
I always said there was something fishy about Jack. I just don't think he's stupid enough to trust Juliet. I'm not saying he knows exactly whats going on with Juliet , but he definitely has some deal with the Others or something up his sleeve.
paul in nyc said...
"Does anyone know if there is some sort of biblical reference with Locke carrying his dead father's body on his back?'
I agree Paul there definitely was a very biblical vibe around this episode.
*The whole thing with Anthony talking about the island being heaven/hell.
*Sawyer facing his demons in a slightly unreal enviorment.
*Also when Ben was telling the Others that Locke wasn't who they thought he was I got reminded of the messiah or some mystical/special savior. (anyways what kind of society stands and watches a man try to kill his father with a knife? With kids watching too!)
Yay Sayid is back. I haven't seen him for awhile. I was surprised they actually addressed the satelite phone, I thought it would be like Paulos walkie from the Others or something.
Next week looks awesome!
Locke: Tell me everything about the island...start at the biggining.
Can't wait!
Woah, makareq just read your post.
That was a very interesting story. Do you know on what station or kind of station you heard it on?
THE LOCKE POST
This is the "Locke's Journey on the island so far cliffs notes":
Locke crashes on island, is not paralyzed anymore starts believing the island is special and they were brought there for a reason.
Finds Hatch, believes it's his mission to open it. Starts working on it.
Boone dies. Locke Opens Hatch finds out about the numbers and the button. Believes it is important to press button and starts pressing it. (starting to see a pattern here)
Benry gets captured, says he was coming for Locke.
Finds the Pearl hatch which says the Swan hatch is a psychological experiment. gets disillusioned with pressing the button, thinks nothing will happen if it is not pressed. Eko begins to press the button.
Breaks the computer therefore destroying the hatch. Desmond turns the fail safe creating some weird thing with time travel (won't get into that).
wakes up in jungle. Does not know what to do next. Sees vision, saves eko. Decides to rescue J/K/S.
Goes with Sayid and Kate to Othersville. Hears about sub. Destroys sub, does not want people to get of his "special" island (does not want to be paralyzed again).
Ben shows Locke Cooper. Says if he kills cooper Locke will get to go with the Others.
Locke gets Sawyer to kill Cooper and has now presumably gained entrance into the Others society.
Just like he had to kill Boone to gain entry into the hatch.
Of course he killed Boone indirectly, just like he did with Cooper.
Sorry for that long recap.
I'm see a pattern from the very biggining of Locke thinking he's supposed to or wanting to find everything about the island because he thinks that they're there for "a reason".
He is probably the most important character on Lost (and therefore will not die anytime soon).
Is Locke Jacob in some way? The Others seemed to think he was "special" and were excited to see him. When Benry says "I was coming for you" was he coming to get a person who could pass off a Jacob?
maybe Benry really was coming for Locke, maybe leaving him alone and seeing what he did with the Hatch was another sort of test to see if he was worthy to be an Other?
I'm loving season 3 but hopefully we will learn all about the Others and what their purpose is (not just about tumors and pregnant woman) by the season finale. If they don't give us an answer I will be kinda mad.
I think "The Brig" is the best episode of the season so far, closely followed by "The Man From Tallahassee" and "One of Us".
I've got a theory:
What if Naomi is not from the outside world at all?
What if she is working with the others and they just crashed there on purpose?(Although perhaps not intentionally having her be impaled)
Plus, as Sayid questioned, no-one actually saw a helicopter. This would also then mean that she could just be lying about Flight 815 being found and wouldn't require some company setting everything up with fake plane and passengers.
I think D&C may have mentioned a new person arriving, but maybe this was just to throw people off, cos she is still a new character.
I would have been satisfied if this was the first half of the season finale it was so good. Very cinematic, no-nonsense, alot of setups. It hurts just to try to organize my thoughts about it, so I'll just write down the questions I had and maybe a possible theory or speculation.
1. Did Ben mean "see you in a week" as in 'I'll be hearing your report in a week'? Or is it close to a week now?
2. What was Danielle doing just smoothly taking the dynamite out? Why did Locke act as he did?
3. I can't believe how much they made fun of the "magic box" this episode. And the writers actually made Ben say flat out "IT'S A METAPHOR...OF COURSE THERE'S NO FREAKING BOX ON THE ISLAND."
4. I also cannot believe that they are actually bringing up this purgatory/hell/afterlife speculation. Did Anthony Cooper really die on the hospital table or was he quickly abducted? Teleported? If it was true, would his body just rot there once Sawyer killed him? Would it be possible to kill someone in an afterlife?
5. They keep pummeling us in the head with these ideas of Jack working with Juliet and Ben. Now it seems like it's true. What is this secret that Ben and Juliet are keeping? Why did Kate betray Sayid and Desmond when they said not to tell Jack?
6. Does Sawyer have no chance now of redeeming himself? He's just fulfilled his most evil, twisted desire. It would be different if he decided not to kill Cooper, then he would really get over his problem.
7. I can tell the difference between season-one-Locke's way of psychologically dealing with problems compared to the Other's way. Locke would help people with their problems in a healthy way, using methods that weren't harmful but still intense. The Others are the opposite; they use bad methods to solve problems. They say "kill your problems."
8. Yet another 'Tom'in the form of "Sawyer"'s full name. This adds to the list of unaccountable Toms on Lost.
Agggh...that made me feel better.
Wow is right. My mind is still racing in circles. I predict a podcast with significant time usage!
OK Jack, you got some 'splanin to do, and unless you want a knife in the gut it better be good. If the writers are just setting me up, they're doing a damn good job, because Jack is quickly becoming my least favorite OTHER. "No, don't tell her yet." Juliet wants to bring Kate in the fold and Jacks says no. What the hell? Seeing that this comes after Kate tells them about the parachutist and a possible way off the island (KATE, WHAT THE HELL?????) I'm reserving hope that they're working with Ben in hopes of getting off the island, but can be swayed back to the light if another opportunity presents itself.
The stuff with Sawyer and the real Sawyer was awesome-O-5000! Great acting, and yes, very satisfying to have that arc play out to conclusion with Cooper ultimately killed. I'm very much under the impression that Cooper was brought to the island by Alpert. I have a feeling it was Alpert who was the doctor smiling at him as he injected him with whatever knocked him out.
Super duper set up for the finale. Jack and Juliet working for Ben; Ben and others planning a week-ending invasion to capture the pregnant women; factions of others bored with the fertility problem; Sawyer with new-found intel on Ben/Jack/Juliet plot; Rouseau with something up her sleeve (the scene with Rouseau and Locke was AWESOME AWESOME); the parachutist with a boat a few miles off the island. Buckle your seatbelts, it's gonna be a heluva ride.
Also, what did you guys make of the big ancient column that Cooper was tied to at one of the Other's camps? Is it tied to the 4-toed statue and the ancient-looking fort that we saw on the way to the famp.
I think I know what the children are there for:
They were there to "watch," like they were going to watch at Juliette's trial. And subsequent execution. You don't make too many waves when you see people executed, and also see that execution approved by everyone around you. Making the kids bear witness at such a young age would go a long way to quelling rebellion down the road.
This sounds dirty, but it's not meant to be: Did Ben ever make Alex "watch?" Part of me thinks he might have protected her because she's his daughter, the other part of me thinks it would explain why she hated him so much.
420: Sorry, I don't remember any of the details about the title of the show or even what night it was on, my dad would tape the shows and then play them to help me sleep. I hardly remember any of the other ones I listened to, but that one scared the crap out of me. I went around for days wondering if I was secretley in hell. I think I was in third grade, and whenever the teacher called on me to clap the erasers, or have first pick of the recess toys my little brain would ask "is this too good to be true? am I condemned to a perfect existance resulting in eternal torture like that of the radio show?" Then I would scrape my knee and calm down.
Loved this episode! So many questions though (What else is new?)
I'm glad Sayid didn't automatically believe Naomi. But didn't Desmond and the rest hear the helicopter making noise and hear it hit the water?
Jack is really getting on my nerves "Whatever you have to say to me you can say in front of her..." What is that shit?
Why did Kate tell Jack anyway?
Are Jack and Juliet planning to take over the Others or something? I really don't believe that Jack would betray the Losties in some way. Even to get off the island.
The Others absolutely made Cooper crash and kidnapped him. But why did Ben say "We didn't bring him here?"
And Naomi can't be lying about the 815-ers being "dead", Cooper said the same thing to Sawyer.
Between this and Heroes my brain is gonna melt.
Also, I got a Matrix vibe from this episode. From what Alpert said to Locke. And when Locke was told to kill his dad w/ everyone watching reminded me of when Neo had to jump across those buildings. And then Ben said "He's not who we thought he was."
LOL I sound ridiculous.
The best was when Coop called Ben "Bug Eye" LOL.
Locke may be a tool of Ben.
Ben got him to blow up the sub.
got him to have Anthony Cooper killed.
and perhaps most importantly got him to throw Juliet under the bus.
Ben calls for Locke and when Locke comes in, he just happens to be listening to Juliet's tape and just happens to tell Locke all about it and just happens to put it in a drawer where Locke can easily get it.
Paul
We are in agreement before reading what you said about Danielle, this was my thought also.
The beauty of LOST is that they are great at getting you so involved in the story that a minor unnoticeable event will later come back to blow up (and in this case I do mean blow up).
Although it just seemed like a distraction there has to be a very good reason Danielle came to the Blackrock to secure explosives.
My thought is that Danielle is going to attack the others. Her motivation is Alex. I can actually see her giving her life to save Alex.
Mekareq
The story you are refering to is either from or very similiar to a Twilight Zone episode.
--- from TV.com
28. A Nice Place to Visit
First aired: 4/15/1960
Writer: Charles Beaumont
Director: John Brahm
Guest star: Larry Blyden (Rocky Valentine), Sebastian Cabot (Mr. Pip), John Close (Policeman), Wayne Tucker (The Croupier), Sandra Warner (The Brunette Woman), Barbara English (The Dancing Blonde), Nels Nelson (The Midget Policeman), Bill Mullikin (The Parking Attendant)
Global rating: 7.5
After being shot to death, Rocky Valentine encounters the amiable white-haired Mr. Pip, who gives Rocky everything he wishes for.
-----
The story is about this petty crook who gets shot to death and arises in a luxurious room with an English butler who gets him whatever he wants. He is wealthy, can not miss a pool shot, can't lose a bet and every hot woman desires him. He quickly becomes bored of this lifestyle and asks if he could leave Heaven. At that point the English butler says what makes you think you are in heaven, as the butler grows horns.
OK
I hope that Sawyer is not going to die now!
I agree, Jack is becoming a real prick, and I'm pretty sick of it. He acts smug, that's really what irritates me. As to his long term motives, who knows, they could be 'good'.
Nice to see Cooper finally got his comeuppins. I hope for Sawyer's sake it's not purgatory/gary_troup ;) If it is, then Smokey will be taking him soon! Watch for it! I doubt it will happen, but if it does, you heard it here first! ;)
I don't think Richard is tired of Ben, and I don't think it's a con either. I think Richard simply has a different viewpoint about how to handle the Locke situation, and has the means to change it. The part about telling Locke he's "special" I think IS part of a con. Naomi healed fast, was she special too? Big whoop. I think Locke might be harder to manipulate, with his daddy dead, though.
Locke doesn't care what Danielle does with the Dynamite, since Locke is not 'with' anybody, as he said, he's following his own path (or, he thinks he is).
mekareq- I like your idea about making people 'watch' as a form of control. It goes along with the theme of the submarine being there just in case they want to leave (but really can't) and also jives with the notion of "Room 23" where they brainwash people.
I just want to say something about the discovered 815 in the ocean:
Naomi might not be lying. Anthony Cooper might not have been lying. The plane may not have been found.
What?!?
The plane was "Found" and then investigated by robots under water. You could take any footage of a recovered underwater plane, call it "815" and say all the passengers were accounted for and dead.
Think about it, if someone said we found that boat that went down, and all the passengers were accounted for, and then showed us film directly from the movie Titanic, most people would believe it. They would say something like "the salt water oxidized the hull very quickly, making it seem like the boat has been there for much longer than it actually has."
How many people would doubt that, and how many *more* people would say "Wow. I think I read that in a Discover magazine once." and forget about it?
I'm telling you, Naomi may be a liar, but not necessarily about what she thinks happened to 815.
Wow, I write a lot.
Butter me arse.. Miiindblowing episode!
I'm just really confused now. More confused than Hurley's penis when it sees daylight. They better explain whats going on with how they got on the island this season. the're not all dead, maybe its not even a cover-up.. It's something else, me thinks. But what? no clue. I want some good theories on yer next podcast.
Only thing I can think of is if they just end the series with John Cleese in a dharma video saying "and now for something compleatly different" and the Monty Python theme song starts, and cut to a religous wet t-shirt competition of some sorts. That would seriously be much better than they're all dead. harr harr! John Cleese is the "man behind the curtain"! what a marvelous sense of humour...what a triumph of the human spirit!
Ps. Danielle is a troubled kid. She's like a a mentalist badger.. with it's own problems, of course
420brownie said...
"Also, what did you guys make of the big ancient column that Cooper was tied to at one of the Other's camps? Is it tied to the 4-toed statue and the ancient-looking fort that we saw on the way to the famp."
I think those ruins could be connected to the place that the others lived before they started using Dharma's stuff. Looks like we'll learn more next week.
MekareQ said...
I think I know what the children are there for:
"They were there to "watch," like they were going to watch at Juliette's trial. And subsequent execution. You don't make too many waves when you see people executed, and also see that execution approved by everyone around you. Making the kids bear witness at such a young age would go a long way to quelling rebellion down the road.
This sounds dirty, but it's not meant to be: Did Ben ever make Alex "watch?" Part of me thinks he might have protected her because she's his daughter, the other part of me thinks it would explain why she hated him so much."
Thats an interesting theory. So does that mean Ben is controlling the Others by fear. Jeez, what a society.
"Sorry, I don't remember any of the details about the title of the show or even what night it was on, my dad would tape the shows and then play them to help me sleep. I hardly remember any of the other ones I listened to, but that one scared the crap out of me. I went around for days wondering if I was secretley in hell. I think I was in third grade, and whenever the teacher called on me to clap the erasers, or have first pick of the recess toys my little brain would ask "is this too good to be true? am I condemned to a perfect existance resulting in eternal torture like that of the radio show?" Then I would scrape my knee and calm down."
kids are so impressionable.
Luber said...
"Butter me arse.. Miiindblowing episode!
I'm just really confused now. More confused than Hurley's penis when it sees daylight."
Ok...
"Only thing I can think of is if they just end the series with John Cleese in a dharma video saying "and now for something compleatly different" and the Monty Python theme song starts, and cut to a religous wet t-shirt competition of some sorts. That would seriously be much better than they're all dead. harr harr! John Cleese is the "man behind the curtain"! what a marvelous sense of humour...what a triumph of the human spirit!"
Hell yeah! That would be awesome and extremely annoying at the same time.
really interesting article over on the tailsection.com about the heroes journey relating to Locke.
//www.thetailsection.com/lost-mythology/lost-is-locke-the-primary-hero.php#more
Here is thew link
http://www.thetailsection.com
/lost-mythology/lost-is
-locke-the-primary-
hero.php#more
I wanted to smack Kate. How does she just go and tell Jack & Juliet what the other Losties are hiding. Oooohhhh, she just thinks she knows what is best for everyone doesn't she? She thinks her father is bad for mom so she goes and kills him. And Obviously her mom would rather be with the jerk. She was not invited on the Michael rescue mission and yet she goes out and gets herself captured by the shoeless Others. Jack says "don't come back for me" and little miss I-know-what-is-best goes back to Othersville so Locke can blow up the boat that Jack was going to escape on. Sayid tells her the secret of the Naomi and she can not wait to tell Jack. Does she not understand the concept of SECRET? What makes her think that she is the queen of the world? So my point is will somebody please SMACK THAT B!TCH!!!!! She is as destructive as Locke is.
Also I am even more convinced now that Jack knows more than we think he knows. I have not decided whether he is working with Juliet because he thinks she told him everything and they are working against the Others together. Or if he is working against Juliet AND the Others. This episode leans me towards the former but I will not rule out the latter.
It is so quiet in here! Okay, I wanted to confess something from last week, so that smokie doesn't bitch slap me:
When Jin was fighting Mikey, while he was losing, I said to myself, 'Wait, Jin is Asian, Why doesn't he do karate?' Then I said to myself, 'That's messed up, you shouldn't expect someone to know karate, just because they're Asian.' Then Jin whooped up on Mikey with karate.
Tell me, am I racist, or intuitive to the show? Oh, and one of the Easter Eggs of that show was a Karate Award of Jin's in his Father's house, so maybe I'm neither, I subconsiously picked up on his award, and the assumption followed.
Any thoughts?
Yes, too quiet in here...
MekareQ said:
Tell me, am I racist, or intuitive to the show? Oh, and one of the Easter Eggs of that show was a Karate Award of Jin's in his Father's house, so maybe I'm neither, I subconsiously picked up on his award, and the assumption followed.
It wouldn't make sense if Jin is a tough for Mr. Paik and did NOT know some sort of asian martial arts. He probably knows Tae Kwon Do, but could have learned anything in the military. I noticed the trophy too. You are not racist. You are just observant. Our society gets too touchy sometimes.
Regarding the name Naomi Doritt...
Carlton said the name Doritt is a Dickensian reference.
However, Dorit is the Hebrew word for "generations" or "period of time." Interesting.
Firstly I'm kinda new to all this web malarky, and I've checked out various lost podcasts (I'll happily admit yours is my first, my favourite, and I think always will be!), but I'm genuinely disturbed by a couple of the other podcasts out there.
Don't know what it's called but a podcast by some religious family calling themselves 'The Ravenscrafts' is f**king nuts! is it not?
Their website begins with a post with the title 'Am I A Closet Catholic' at the moment!!!
I mean I'm no devil worshipper here or anything, but I heard another American podcast recently where some guys were trying to almost prove the existence of God via the fact Jacks dad is called 'Christian' Shepherd!
I'm bringing this up 'cause I'd really like to know how God fearin' y'all are?
Over here in Scotland... I mean, I'd like to think I lead a good life and do no wrong to my fellow man, even stand a chance of ending up in that fluffy nirvana in the sky! But have been known to dabble in the ol' McCutcheon, so we'll have to keep the fingers crossed!
I'm suprised religion is brought into the discussions about this TV show. Can anyone explain, at least in a small way, how this comes about? as this seems alien to me!
What's your poilitical standing too? I'd presumed most intelligent Americans had the opinion that Bush isn't much better than having a speaking chimp in charge? And I'm proud to say we had the first 'shock' nationwide elections here yesterday, where the political party responsible for going into Iraq were displaced. Are you all wanting the same?
Hi Dr. Quartermaster,
I listen to GSPN sometimes, although The Lost Lowdown is hands-down my favorite podcast. I don't think the Ravenscrafts are out of line with associating Lost to Christianity. If you are a Christian, you see things through your Christian lenses, and there is nothing wrong with that. They do not condemn anyone who isn't Christian, and they don't mock people who don't see Lost the same way that they do.
If anyone else wants to see Lost as Islamic (Sayid) or Buddhist (Locke kinda has that Zen thing about him) that's cool too.
As far as Bush goes, I agree his appearence is very Simian. I won't put down any political party, but I am looking forward to a clean political slate.
I've been into the McCutcheon too, so no judgement from my side!
I'm signing this anonymous, because I don't want any flames!
First,
I want to say that I hope EVERYONE feels comfortable posting their views here. No one should be afraid to say what they feel because they will get flamed. Flamers are not tolerated!
You guys may have noticed that sometimes people post negative things about the LLD here. We leave them up in an effort of fairness and free expression. So if naysayers can post here, I think justs about anything is fair game.
Second,
Dr. Quartermass, I think your post is very interesting. I think many people, Americans in particular, feel like their country and their views are the only ones that exist and one of the best thing about podcasting, and the internet in generally, is that we get find out what other people think, how they view the world (and Lost). [long sentence, yikes]
I'll speak for myself here, and let Justin post if he decides to: I was raised fairly religious, but have come to the conclusion that each person must choose what they believe in, and no choice is better or worse than another. And I believe that people who use religion to divide and shun people are missing the point.
We don't bring religion into our discussions for various reasons. Namely, because it's usually irrelevant, but also because it can alienate people. I don't think a discussion of LOST necessarily warrants me to talk about my personal views, whatever they may be. But the same way that I'm interested in writing, and I bring up writing tidbits, I can see why GSPN brings up religion. It's important to them, and that's fine. Their discussions cater to a certain group of people, our discussion cater to another. And sometimes they even overlap.
To answer your questions:
I'm very liberal in my religious views. I think if there is a god and life after death, it's way more interesting and different than we could imagine.
I am also very liberal politically. I'm pretty much a socialist. It's like cold fusion, good on paper, but we just have to figure out how to make it work in the real world.
I can't wait until Bush is gone. He's done so much damage it's insane. And speaking of religion and politics, 5 of the 9 Supreme Court Justices are Catholic. You think that might affect their decisions?
I, too, like whiskey.
And 6 points for "malarkey."
Claude, you totally rock.
*hug*
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WHO IS JACOB?????????????????
WHERE ARE WE?????????????????
I cannot get past how dramatic this episode was!!! It was so intense...this season is getting fabulous!!!!
We only have three more weeks guys...and something BIG is coming...
Radiant Redhead, you also rock!
**Spoiler**
I read in the latest T.V. guide that in the next episode "The Man Behind the Curtain" is a Ben flashback, and that we are going to see his birth, childhood and *bum bum bum* his relationship to Jacob.
Here's my stupid theory: I think Jacob is a woman. No proof behind that, but in JJ Abram's other big show, "Alias" they spent two seasons going on about "The Man," and it turned out to be Sydney's mom. Jacobs is a woman, and I'll go one step further, she's someone on the islands mom.
I doubt that this is going to happen, but if it does, I called it!
I would love to hear everyone else's theories on who Jacob is. Last chance, Wednesday we'll know!
mekareq,
jabob is female but not a woman. she is vincent's paramour.
Cheers for your intelligent reply Claude, much appreciated, didn't mean to cause upset! I realise there was no need to name anyone, but my question was, still I think, justified.
anyway...
What I was originally going to say (but it seemed a bit insubstantial against my other questions) was I think Jack & Juliet's secret was something regarding the nature of why the sat phone wasn't going to work. They say 'shall we tell them...' in response to Kate telling them Naomi has a sat phone and can call her ship.
So could be as simple as "comms don't work on the island since the sky turned purple" which I suspect, 'cause I don't think the Others told Jack very much.
These kind of discussions are why I enjoy Lost and listen to the Lost Lowdown in particular. Certainly the TV show is entertaining/fun, but anything that has the ability to get people thinking creatively is a step above. Just try to talk for an hour about (insert most any prime time TV show here), it just doen't happen. Whether viewer's theories are right or wrong is slightly irrelevent to me, the fact that they are formulating and sharing them is not.
dr. quartermass,
I don't think I can express my religious views without offending anyone. Oh well. You asked, so I'm going to tell.
I don't believe in "god" or anything supernatural. I don't believe in life after death, ghosts, reincarnation, heaven, hell, etc. I believe that after death, we will feel just like we did before we were born, i.e. nothing. I think the origin of the universe is similar to the origin of life, random at first, then guided by some principle (e.g. darwinism). I think morality comes from darwinian considerations as well as a desire not to have harm done to oneself. For me, religion is a waste of time at best, and an excuse for atrocities at worst. I will admit that the charity aspect of some religious institutions is good in some ways, but it has a price: obedience. My reasoning for these views has many facets that are too long to list here.
As far as political views go, I'm liberal on most things, with a libertarian slant here and there. Besides the fast that I disagree with Bush on every issue I'm aware of, the man irritates me. He attempts to make decisions via "divine command" which I think is scary. I have to admit, I don't really know what to do as far as the Iraq War and other foreign policy issues go. My main reason for wanting Bush out is his stance on social issues.
I hope that didn't offend anyone too much...
Justin
Claude & Justin- Thanks for sharing. Though you have differences in views you get along really well, which tells me you probably practice what you preach about being accepting of others. Kudos! *THAT* is what makes the world a better place.
MekareQ- I like your theory! I've always kinda suspected that older lady at the book club was Jacob, but who knows. Guess we'll find out soon. I'm also thinking Marvin Candle (formerly Wickman) could still come into play somewhere, but not sure exactly where.
I think Ben didn't send Richard to talk to Locke like some people think. I believe there really are two factions of the Others, one because TPTB have said so on the official podcast, and two because I think Ben is not SUCH a mastermind, I think people sometimes overestimate his mastermindness. Richard really does think that Ben is losing his way and I don't think he's the only Other that does. It's interesting that both the Losties and the Others are starting to not trust there leader (Jack, Ben).
Not only are there two factions of Others, there are two factions of LLD fans: the whiskey lovers and the whiskey haters...
Whiskey is the DEVIL'S drink! But only because I drank half a bottle straight about 10 years ago (it seemed like a good idea at the time) and surprise surprise I was very ill after. I haven't touched a drop since.
Here's a question: have we ever seen the Others drink alcohol? I would say no because a cult wants complete control over its members.
Yeah, I can't really see Ben getting crazy after a bottle of wine at dinner...although Tom and a beer bong...maybe, and I can certainly see Juliet having a few margheritas!
A new game:
Guess each Other's favorite drink!
(all copyright laws apply - you saw it here first!)
In this episode, while Ben talks to Locke about his Father, he has a Boone-like line about "Your mess, you clean it up"....hmm? Cooincidence?
Is the reason for a 'sonar' fence and 'sonar' to guide in the sub because of the electromagnetic signals on the island? (They seem to keep saying it causes interferance for just about everything they try to transmit) Is the signal a natural island occurance and maybe a part of the "Magic Box" phenomenon and even the Smoke Monster?
Wow, Claude & Justin, you amaze yet again. When I started listening to Lost podcasts I first listened to several different ones and when I realized I did not have time to listen to all of them I narrowed it down to yours. It has the feel of a discussion with friends. And I like that you do not put time constraints on yourself. Some are long and others short. I also like that you are not afraid to laugh at yourselves.
I often find myself agreeing with Justin when the two of you differ on theories and now I think I know why. My theories on life are similar. You both very elquently and tactfully answered Dr. Quartermass. I would like to thank you for that. I would never have asked the questions but was very interested to read your responses. And thank your for the podcast. It makes my drive time at work much more pleasent.
as an addendum:
Although I don't believe in the supernatural, I think it makes for great stories. The grim, bland realities of every day life are not (usually!) good for fiction. However, my world view may be why my LOST theories are usually pragmatic.
Wow, great discussion on a bunch of different topics. As far as religion, I probably lean more towards Claude's point of view, but I often times find myself siding with Justin when you guys have different ideas about a scene, theory, etc.
Speaking of the sonar beacon, I have a feelin' that's where Mikhail is headed- to see if he can repair it. If he can repair it, they could leave with confidence in finding their way back.
I've been troubled for a while about Juliet working for Ben 'in order to get off the island' as we are lead to presume.
Now I do think this is the case, but what I have difficulty going with is that Juiet trusts Ben to keep his end of the bargain!
Surely Ben's 'word' has been proved to be worth less than a bag of chips!
I don't see his 'deal' with allowing Jack & Juliet off the island to be negated by the loss of the sub. He's said he keeps his word but surely this is proof to the contrary? He could have set them off in a boat (as far as Jack's aware Michael & Walt used this method).
Is this a mistake? I try not to believe that the writers make them (as I do trust them), but this doesn't seem to work? Kinda like Ethan hanging Charlie & Locke not being able to kill yet pushing Mikhail into the sonic fence though!
what if this metaphorical box, IS the smoke monster?? it's like killing two mysteries with one stone!
it would explain smokey turning into Yemi and Christian Shephard.
I'm not a 100% behind this theory, but I thought I'd throw it out there considering the parallels of each one supposedly manifesting things based on people's desires
LOST to run to 2010
from what ive just heard , Lost end date has been announced.
3 more seasons
16 episodes per
next season starts in january
JLK
It's true. Cuse has some interesting quotes. Stretching 2 seasons into 3 is a bummer, but with a known end point, it won't drag out eternally like X Files, and they can start planning on releasing some secrets and tying up loose ends.
http://tinyurl.com/2t7bnk
No it actually doesnt start each year until February-May
in 2007/2008/2010
Hey guys... quick theory before I have to go to work:
"The Man Behind the Curtain" seems to be pointing to Ben as some sort of puppet master, but I think that we're gonna see that he is the puppet and Jacob is controlling him.
Maybe Ben is Jacob?
then again according to Damon and Carlton he's been in plain site all along.
Fred
"LOST to run to 2010
from what ive just heard , Lost end date has been announced.
3 more seasons
16 episodes per"
ABC says there is going to be 48 more episodes. They should just do two nice full seasons with 24 episodes each instead of cutting it up into three shorter 16 episode seasons. It just doesn't seem to make much sense to me, unless there is three distinct story arcs for each of the seasons but I doubt thats true. I think ABC just wants to stretch it out longer then it really should be stretched. Seriously they should give us the same amount of episodes in two nice full seasons instead of what they're gonna do now. I hope they change they're mind.
i am very upset. i just read the news that Lost will end in 48 episodes. the main thing that gets me upset is that they are making 3 seasons out of it. so we will have to wait 9 months between each season. that is insane. i don't mind that it ends in 48 episodes. they could just have two more seasons and that would be fine. errrgg........................
sorry i meant 8 months between seasons.
Clustin, whens the podcast coming?...
ZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz........
a few ways to look at it:
good-lost will be around for 3 more years
bad-they are stretching 2 seasons into 3
good-it will run straight thru
bad-it will be 4 months on 8 months off
g00d-with 16 episodes there will be less filler
bad-when there is filler, it will stick out even worse since the season is so short
jlk
Can I emphasize the VALUE that I put in Claude and Justin? They always dish out the BEST podcasts!
I feeling like a druggie who needs another fix! Where is the PODCAST?!?
I need my LLD!
claude and justin are the best! whenever they release the new podcast it'll have been well worth the wait.
I think it's gonna work out great. No repeats, endpoint defined, and it's actually a pretty good meta-indication of how far we're into the overall story arc- basically a little more than halfway through.
As far as the shorter seasons and late start, we basically won't be getting the fall 6-pod that we got this year. I'm OK with that-
D and C recently said that they're pretty much forced to do filler episodes due to nature of the show, so if we miss a couple "Dave"s or "Tricia Tonakas..." I'm completely fine with that.
Having said all that, I definitely think ABC pretty much demanded to stretch it out to 3. But the flipside is, how many TV shows get to go out on pretty much their own terms like Lost is going to do?
Oh, back to the story arc, think how far we've come, and my goodness, look how much farther we have to go!
Hey guys,
The podcast will be up tomorrow! Sorry for the delay. I broke my phone on Cinco de Mayo! A little too much cerveza, maybe?
Thanks for the update claude!
420brownie said...
"Having said all that, I definitely think ABC pretty much demanded to stretch it out to 3. But the flipside is, how many TV shows get to go out on pretty much their own terms like Lost is going to do?"
I agree. Anyways if you look at the whole arc of the show the middle point is around "tricia tanaka is dead":)
I usually break my phone on April fools day, you west coasters
As to GSPN podcast it is great. It is like a Mystery Science Theater movie with out the puppets. It is the bad movie.
I love the psychobabble and being talked to like I was six years old. The sound effects, the ADD and gratitous violence are priceless.
But that said, they have to be the two hardest people to tollerate in real life.
Bruce I agree, How can anyone stand to listen to that hag of a wife ??Stephanie (Is that her name/poor cliff) bitch piss and moan all the time. A special episode where he Beats her brains out then slits her throat would make for great radio. :)
You can now watch Heffernie and Spliff Ravenscrank on their live feed while they do the Talkshoe Pod Cast on Friday nights.
Last Friday there was an extended period where she was beating him for playing a shitty, scratchy, non-funny sound effect while she was speaking.
Maybe one day she'll play the Princess Leia to his Jabba the Hutt, like in The Brig.
Bruce,
GSPN podcast it is great. It is like a Mystery Science Theater movie with out the puppets. It is the bad movie.
I love the psychobabble and being talked to like I was six years old. The sound effects, the ADD and gratitous violence are priceless.
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
***jane doe said...
what if this metaphorical box, IS the smoke monster?? it's like killing two mysteries with one stone!***
I have considered this myself, but the Others seem to be scared of Smokey. (specifically Juliet) They even have a fence to keep Smokey out. But they "used" the box to bring Locke's dad to the island. And they hold him inside the fence. Also Christian and Yemi would appear and disappear, but Locke's dad was more permanent. And he even had consciousness of where he is. (even though he mistakenly thinks it is hell)
One point I wanted to bring up that could just be coincidence. Both people that we definitely attribute to Smokey (Yemi & Christian) their bodies are on the island. Yemi from his plane crash and Christian’s body was in the cargo hold. What this means I do not know.
400 News articles about LOST in the last 2 days
http://news.google.com/nwshp?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&ncl=1116030996&hl=en
ugh I love you guys.
Clustin Rocks!
yeah clustin is a cool word. you guys should secure clustin .com/net/org asap. PS: podcast plz.
We are recording right now!!
No your not your posting on this web page. :)
Claude said...
We are recording right now!!
WOOHOO!!!
Clustin challenge~
You know what I am doing...
Can you prove that you really are recording right now by referring to this posting?
Not that I ever doubt your word - Others you are not!
I am not even sure I can sleep tonight knowing what is taking place right now...as we read...and wait...
I think that I will go charge my iPod...
I got home today and opened itunes asap because i was told this podcast would be ready today. boy was i disappointed.
I HAET U
:)
OK
Let's kill some time...
How do YOU listen to The Lost Lowdown?
What device? What are your consummate conditions?
i use an apple brand mp3 player and it takes me between 1 and 2 days to listen to an entire LLD. i try to listen at home so it's not interfering with anything and i consider having headphones on in public to be rather anti social.
I listen at home on a ipod. Sometimes I burn a whole LLD on a cd, I usually have to burn about 4 cds to complete the show! I don't know how you guys keep things interesting through out 4 hours but you do.
iPod for me, usually in my car but sometimes at home. Gonna be tough to get this one in before tomorrow night's epi, but it will be well worth the wait and give me a little something extra to look forward to tomorrow...hopefully...kidding...not really...oh yes I am...OK I have to stop this now...
I listen to it on my computer while I multitask.
on my ipod speakers while i get high.
i listen on my laptop, whenever i have a few free hours and no distractions so i can just lounge about my house. usually i break it up into at least two days worth of listening, but this one i'll try to finish before The Man Behind the Curtain premiere
I listen on an ipod in my truck while I am working. I am a cable tech so I listen while driving between each job. I can usually end up getting through a show in 1 day, though not always. Sundays are my slow day at work so I really like when I have a podcast to listen to by then. *wink* But I would rather have a good podcast late than a crappy podcast early.
On the computer at home, on the ipod walking around or on the subway.
Recap of tomorrow:
I listen on speakers while in the shower.
I listen when I'm in the car ride to work.
I listen on my computer at work. I listen on my ipod when I go to lunch.
I listen on my computer at work after lunch.
I listen in the car on the ride home.
I listen on my ipod while working out.
I listen on my computer speakers when cooking dinner.
I listen on my speakers while eating dinner.
I listen on my speakers while I play my Wii.
I listen on my speakers when my wife calls from her business trip.
I don't listen while Lost is on.
I listen on my speakers as I fall asleep.
I listen on my speakers all night long, so I can hear them in my dreams.
i'll be back in a few hours
I usually listen to the LLD on my ipod while I play xbox 360
The podcast is done and done. It will be posted shorty...
FYI, I listen to the LLD while I'm recording it.
paul in nyc: i have always wanted to live in NYC. But it is soo expensive. I am sure you enjoy living there. It is an exciting city. I love vacationing there. I can shop til I drop. I also like Las Vegas. I guess anywhere i can shop is fun for me. LOL
vicki h:
i'll be in vegas over the super long fourth of july weekend.
I listen on my ipod ASAP!
I used to live in a town near NYC, and I used to visit fairly often. One time me and my family were driving down one of the busy highways at rush hour, we had some guitars in their case in the trunk. It was a rented SUV so the it had a kind of hatch door in the back. Suddenly the trunk burst open and a few of our guitars went skidding on to the road, we couldn't really stop because there were cars speeding by us left and right.
Eventually we were able to find the guitars on the side of the street, luckily one of them was alright but one had some dents and the other was totally smashed up.
You-Know-Who:
What town?
I have a 45 minute commute to work. A good size LLD will give me 2-3 days worth of driving.
So if Cooper was brought to the island just days before Locke sees him in the closet. By that time the purple sky had already happened. So New-Years-Justin and I therefor have to believe that there is no way to get to the island beacuse the beacon has not been working for several weeks. Right?
OK, back to the podcast now.
I'm done!
(I had a lot to do at home today...)
Anyway, I am on a Nano and our family is a Mac family through and through...I use a (small) fm transmitter in the car.
Maybe Cindy's big gesture was that she allowed herself to become pregnant?
Thank you for proving your real-time presence while you podcasted...there for a while I thought maybe you guys were riding a mechanical Smokey back/forward in time to post your comment...
yee haw!
pual: Amherst,MA. It's about a 3 hour drive to NYC. I don't live there anymore though. I'm all the way on the opposite coast now!
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Imagine being an other. Then out of the blue they bring Cindy out of the Jungle. They bring her over and say have it boys get her pregnant. WOOOT!!! Maybe there are perks inbeing an other?
I would tear that A&& UP! She would be pregnant for sure after just a few days. She would be full up with those Super Sperms.
Yikes...
Can I know your name Anonymous?
Anon- LMAO!! Wow.
I made it through. I really think the 3-hour episodes may be the sweet spot, and I wish you guys would do more rambling at the end of the podcasts, maybe tread ever so lightly into Mr Podcast territory.
Lara- yeah, I agree as far as Cooper not being able to come to the island after the sky turned purple- he would have had to come prior to that...unless finding the island is not really a problem as Ben and his group would have us believe.
Can't wait for tonight's episode!
I had to take a four hour drive yesterday, the podcast totally saved me from falling asleep on the road, thanks guys!
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