Wednesday, April 11, 2007

Lost Lowdown Podcast #28

Episode 3.16: "One of Us"

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Anonymous paul in nyc said...

hey justin

4/11/2007 05:55:00 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

I knew she couldn't be trusted.

Juliet said that all the pregnant women on the island die from their pregnancy. The big hole in that story is Danielle Rousseau. She had Alex on the island and they are both still kicking around.

I find it hard to believe The Others used Rousseau as some sort of experimental control like they did with Claire. How could they have avoided her Doll Rigged Traps when checking on her?

So Juliet was banging Goodwin... nice.

4/11/2007 08:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Juliet,
FREE OJ, Tranq shots cost 4.50 though


4/11/2007 09:00:00 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

she must have been an easy lay in miami

4/11/2007 09:08:00 PM  
Anonymous jane doe said...

Jack, once again you anger me with your idiocy.

Sure, the perfect time to intrude your alpha male status over Juliet is RIGHT when Sayid is asking her very pertinent information. That makes so much sense! Who cares that Juliet's a potential enemy and Sayid is a human lie detector! Jack's here and he's trying to be noble so no one better get in his way or he might glare at your condescendingly. Geez, what a dope.

On the plus side, great episode and Elizabeth Mitchell is awe-some.

About babies and Danielle--
It's possible that the Others did have something to do with Rousseau's pregnancy which might be how Ben ended up with Alex.. a more complicated version of the kidnapping story Rousseau tells... OR Juliet is lying. Because obviously Claire getting sick was a set-up to make Juliet look good to Jack (what a sucker) and the rest of the Losties so maybe the story about potential mother's dying and Ethan's motivations were also lies, or half-truths or exagerations to sell the lie Juliet was spinning about Claire sickness

4/11/2007 09:27:00 PM  
Anonymous 420brownie said...

Wow. All I can say is wo-ow-ow-ow. I was convinced Juliet was not a mole. Especially after listening to D and C last week. Wow. I'm going to have rewatch to figure out- or try to- what parts of her story are true and which aren't. Her backstory bits, off- and on-island are true, and gosh damn there's a ton going on there. We really got a lot tonight, but I'm not sure I digested all of it.

Wasn't that sub she came on different than the one Locke blew up. And all the references to the fact that "the last leg is bumpy" underwater worm hole theory doesn't sound so crazy now, does it biatches!! Seriously though, there's something crazy going on here.

Oh, and what about that line about Jacob. What the hell? Jacob is someone very, very, very badass.

And the Flame scene with Mikhail. Incredible. Un-f'ing-believable. I know some have speculated that they perhaps picked up the news stories on lost flight 815, but to actually see it- awesome.

So much here my head is spinning. I predict an epic Lost Lowdown this week. EPIC!

4/11/2007 09:55:00 PM  
Anonymous gavqlsiy said...

Paul- I think the pregnant women dying thing is true. We got a flashback where Ben tells her that they'll keep trying until they figure it out. Now, having said that, we DON'T know if her story about Ethan's motives and "improvisation" are true. Interesting to see if D and C make a comment on how much we should believe.

Also, I'm guessing Juliet has cut another deal with Ben to get off the island. Unless something dramatic changed from the time Juliet begged Ben to let her go (right before 815 crashed and again at the Flame) until now to make her change her mind, I do think that's what she wants most. I have a feeling Ben told her to do this one last thing and he'd let her go. The question is, why does Ben want her to play mole?

4/11/2007 10:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Bruce said...

Herarat Airlines

The airline that flew Juliet led me to 3 possibilities

1 - Anagram - Ah! A naive Traitor

2 - Split word - her a rat

3 - I googled Herarat and found it is the name of a sister in Vampire Chronicles 4

4/11/2007 10:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Bruce said...

Some thoughs

It was 4:00 when Sabina died.

Anyone know what that symbol on the tree, where Juliet found the medical case.

I think the nude scene of ELizabeth Mitchell was a shout out to me. Actually, I think tehy wanted to show that she did not have the branding on her back.

Did you noticed that when Juliet was talking about pregnancy she was looking towards Sun (I am looking at you Sun).

4/11/2007 10:59:00 PM  
Anonymous vicki h. said...

i knew she was a plant.

i wonder what Ben wants her to get from the Lostees?

4/11/2007 11:11:00 PM  
Blogger Claude said...

What a great ep. Elizabeth Mitchell can do no wrong. Too bad the same does NOT go for Juliet.

The admit to the lie thing is awesome. If the lie is better than the truth, go with the lie. Gotta remember that.

Season 3 is just kicking ass.

Though, I have to say, a lot of the things we're finding out, as far as how things played out, are very simple and kind of uninteresting on their own. But it's nice to get answers!

I'm predicting a really long podcast...

4/11/2007 11:14:00 PM  
Anonymous vicki h. said...

do you think that Juliette's sisters Cancer really came back or was Ben lying to Juliette to con her?

4/11/2007 11:14:00 PM  
Anonymous vicki h. said...

yeah a really long podcast. i can't wait.

4/11/2007 11:15:00 PM  
Blogger Rebell said...

DANG I called ALOT of it I think.. I KNEW you couldn'tt trust Juliette! I can't BELIEVE Sawyer and Sayid WUSSED out GEEZE! ANd WHAT is JACK now KING of the ISland?? AARGH This one pissed me off!

4/11/2007 11:38:00 PM  
Blogger Rebell said...

YEAH LOL,The underwater worm hole! I'm guessing there's always bad turbulence coming in ( breaking into the snowglobe LOL) from anywhere unerwater,on water, air.. YEAH Mikhail was awsome... DANG they have far reaching communications.. they have her sister at a park ?? WHAAA?MMM Once again I HATED Jack in this AARGH !!

4/11/2007 11:43:00 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

yeah, jack definitely went from badass to dipshit real fast this season.

4/12/2007 12:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Bruce said...

Wacky theory - Juliet is pregnant.

4/12/2007 01:09:00 AM  
Blogger Claude said...


If one more character turns out to be pregnant, I'm going to kerplotz.

4/12/2007 02:41:00 AM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

Kate is a strong possiblity of being another pregnant one.
Seems they wanted her to get knocked up by Sawyer.

then there's always Rose. Maybe the upcoming Rose/Bernard episode focuses on her pregnancy?

4/12/2007 03:04:00 AM  
Blogger Malcolm said...

the end of this episode made me think about not watching lost anymore.

claude and justin,
can you guys record some mr podcasts every once in a while, maybe during the hiatus? i'd really miss you guys if i stopped watching lost. you could do it like smodcast, where they take some random topic, and just ramble for a while.

4/12/2007 03:55:00 AM  
Blogger Malcolm said...

if you don't listen to smodcast, search it on itunes, or go to the link

4/12/2007 03:58:00 AM  
Anonymous radnac said...

Holy frigging crap that was amazing...
I have no complaints. I actually liked the flashback more than the island story for once.

Regarding the Danielle debate:
It was my understanding that only people that get "preggors" on the island end up sick. That's why Danielle and Claire didn't get sick because they were pregnant before they arrived.

I can't believe how many reveals this episode had. Granted, some of them were proved invalid because they were actually Juliet's lies about Claire's kidnapping, but I think this episode really hit us over the head with answers just for the sake of proving that they know what they're doing.

Ben's dialogue was killer. I loved when he was like "DON'T SHOOT US MIKHAIL!"

My biggest question that I walked away with is a little off-topic:

Remember how people, after viewing the first episode of this season, concluded that it was another group of Others that kidnapped the children from the tail secttion? If this was true, why were the kids with Ben's group, along with Cindy?

I'll have more relevant conversation soon..

4/12/2007 05:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know a lot of you watch Heroes.

In one episode Nathan says if people found out they had powers they would "round us all up, stick us in a lab on some island in the middle of the ocean."

And if you think about it, this is exactly what the Others are doing. The Losties are their own lab rats "on some island in the middle of the ocean." :)

-- Ash in T.O.

4/12/2007 11:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Bruce said...

*** JACK'S WIFE HAS BABY *** :)bxhzy

Claude get ready to kerplota.

Julie Bowen (Sara Shephard) gave birth to her son yesterday,

4/12/2007 12:27:00 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

did julie bowen drop dead yet?

4/12/2007 02:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Bruce said...

Drop dead gorgeous

4/12/2007 05:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Bruce said...

Cancer Killer - Baby-Mama Killer

A theory

For an embryo to survive it must live off the host (Mother). The same thing is true for cancer, obviously if you kill the person with cancer, the cancer will die too.

So perhaps the radiation of the island is strong enough to destroy parasites. So instead of thinking a person is cured of cancer, lets think of the cancer as being destroyed (sort of same difference but needed for theory).

Thus this same radiation may kill the embryo, but because the embryo has similiar properties as the mother, maybe it kills both of them off.

Claire came to the island 8 months pregnant and perhaps she and the baby were not exposed to the radiation long enough for it to take effect.

4/12/2007 05:44:00 PM  
Blogger Claude said...


I have to watch the ep again. But from what I remember, Juliet said Claire was affected by the island, and if it wasn't for the medicine Ethan was injecting her with, she and Aaron would have die. Boo...

Though who knows if that's true. Juliet is starting to lie and be deceitful on Ben's level. But of course she had a great teacher...

Did she have a ponytail in this ep? She might be my new fav in that category.

4/12/2007 06:46:00 PM  
Blogger Claude said...

Hey guys,

What do you think is the BIGGEST question raised by this episode? What do you think is the biggest question ANSWERED?

I'd like everyone to weigh in for the podcast...

4/12/2007 09:46:00 PM  
Anonymous MekareQ said...

I found this scene that was cut for time. I think it may be a serious hint to the mystery of the island:

BENJAMIN LINUS: "Seriously Mikhail... Don't shoot. We're not kidding. Mikhail? Mikhail? It wasn't funny last time, I know Picket made a funny face, but he almost lost his arm. Mikhail? We're not going to believe you thought we were 'hostiles.' We didn't really believe it last time, but everyone wants to shoot Picket, and, OK, it was kind of funny. But, seriously, if you shoot us, you're in big trouble. We'll, uh, take away your cow. The brown one. If you *don't* shot us, we'll, uh, Juliette will have sex with you."


BENJAMIN LINUS: "Shut up Juliette, this is life and death. Mikhail? Don't shoot us!"


4/12/2007 10:06:00 PM  
Blogger Kent said...

biggest question - what is bens ultimate objective for having juliet infiltrate the beach camp? is it just to monitor sun, and perhaps kate (who might have been knocked up by sawyer), or something else? what is she going to do within a week before she meets ben again? Or is ben coming to the beach in a weeks time?

biggest answer - we now know why claire and aaron were important to 'the others'. i still want aaron to be the anti-christ though.


4/12/2007 10:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Bruce said...

Elizabeth Mitchell with those large blue eyes and innocent face is perfectly cast as Juliet. It is unfair how can we tell when she is lying.

I am still holding out that her reason for doing what Ben told her to do is for the ultimate good of the LOSTies.

C'mon Jack saw it in her eyes when the sub blew up and did say the link is she and they want to get off the island - the others/hostiles want to stay.

4/12/2007 10:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Bruce said...

A thought is it possible that Jacob is not a person but an acronym J.A.C.O.B.?

4/12/2007 10:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

bruce, i kind of agree with you. in the last scene when ben is talking to juliet, as he says jack trusts her, she goes into a daze for a second. i take that to mean she doesn't want to deceive jack. my money is on when the week is up she will be on the losties side. - Ash

4/12/2007 10:40:00 PM  
Blogger Claude said...

Guys, Jack has been won over by the one-quarter pucker. He kept saying "I trust her, isn't that enough?"


Maybe back in season 1, but not now Jack. Not now...

4/13/2007 01:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Bruce said...

Claude - Juliet is the type of girl you lay in the backyard and name constellations with.

4/13/2007 02:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Bruce said...

Oops I meant to say lay in the backyard WITH but I guess my typing hands knows best :)

4/13/2007 02:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Alice said...

I loved this episode. It doesn't matter if Juliet is evil or not, either way, she's COOL.

4/13/2007 02:41:00 AM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

What do you think is the BIGGEST question raised by this episode? What do you think is the biggest question ANSWERED?

The biggest question raised... What are the ultimate motives for Jacob (via Ben) to want Juliet to stay on the island to complete her work? Is Jacob desperately trying to create an heir? I guess that's actually 2 questions.

Answered questions that I noted:
-Why was Juliet crying right before the book club meeting?
-Was Juliet having a romantic affair with Ben?
-Was Juliet's story of being "left behind" a crock of shit?
-Is Jack truly a dumbass?
-Are Goodwin and Ethan the gay characters?
-Is Rachel really a cancer patient or a post-op transsexual?
-If Rachel is really recovering from cancer, is she selfish enough to bring a child into this world when she can go out of remission at any time and leave the child a virtual orphan?
-Is Richard Alpert wearing eyeliner?
-Is Disneyland lending the Lost producers use of the Nautilus from the 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea Ride?

I'll let you decide which is the biggest answered question.

4/13/2007 04:14:00 AM  
Anonymous jane doe said...

Biggest Question Raised:

WTF is happening in one week that will reunite Ben Ben and Juliet?

Honorable Mention: If the island prevents successful childbirth, how is it that Ben lived his whole life on the island? This suggests someone birthed him on the island... Maybe he's not even human. I doubt that though.

Biggest Question Answered:

Juliet is a lot more sinister than anyone wants to believe.

Honorable Mention: The injections Claire was getting were to save her life. Unless, of course, that's a lie

4/13/2007 06:51:00 AM  
Blogger Malcolm said...

question raised: as far as mythology goes, the big one that was raised in lockes episode, whose name is too long to type, as i realize that this took longer to type than the man from tallahasse, and raised further in this one: why did ben not heal?

question answered: is juliet a plant? yes.

honorable mention: was that a crappy ending? yes.

i liked the episode a bit more after watching it, but i still hated the ending.

hows that forum going, guys?

4/13/2007 08:17:00 AM  
Blogger Malcolm said...

i saw this tshirt on, and i thought 420 brownie might like it...

4/13/2007 08:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Krys said...

Am I totally missing something? How does Juliette know about Sawyer killing that guy in Australia?

It seems like the other information the Others know is stuff that's documented and can be researched (Jack's marriage/divorce...). But no one knew about the Sawyer thing except him and the guy who sent him. Hmmmm.

4/13/2007 09:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

420brownie. I agree, "Him" must be serious bad mo fo.

Everyone else- C'mon folks! Didn't we learn from Kate's error to trust Jack? He's obviously pulling the long con on the others, making Juliet believe he trusts her, to find out what they're up to. Jack is a smart mo fo people! Jeez. Jack does have a blind spot/weakness, but I think he's better than that. Locke might be the same, but I'm not so sure. He's just so easy to manipulate. After the shit Jack pulled to get himself freed, and it would have worked too.


4/13/2007 10:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Krys said...

I think my other comment died.

Biggest question: What do the Others need from the Losties? Is it info because they can't get any now that the communications are gone?

Biggest answer: What the Others needed Claire for. We know what happened to her, why she was taken and that she was really important to the work the Others were doing.

We now know that Juliet worked on Claire too, not just Ethan.

4/13/2007 10:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Krys said...

phat_cartman: I agree. Jack is too smart to fall for what Juliet is pulling. The other Losties might, ok maybe not Sayid, but not Jack either. Especially after spending all that time with Juliet and the other Others.

If Jack is just being dumb that would be really shitty.

4/13/2007 10:26:00 AM  
Anonymous 420brownie said...

BIGGEST QUESTION- lots of great questions raised and I'm torn between two that I think are equally huge. One, again, who the hell is Jacob and how can he cure Rachel (or anyone for that matter). Two, why the hell is the last leg of the trip to the island "bumpy". Getting those answers would explain A HELL of a lot.

BIGGEST ANSWER- again, two very legit candidates here. One, the reveal that Ben's group truly had communication with the outside world. Two, the reveal that all pregnant women die before birth of their baby. Oh hell, as a twist I'll throw in the reveal that the last leg of the trip to the island is "bumpy".

4/13/2007 12:29:00 PM  
Anonymous 420brownie said...

Malcolm- awesome t-shirt. Thanks for the link!!

4/13/2007 12:30:00 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

i sure hope jack is onto juliet.

i find it hard to believe, though.

if jack is playing the long con, he is doing a pretty shitty job at it.
it's one thing to keep an eye on juliet to see what she is up to. it's another thing to let her inject claire with an unknown substance.
sure that substance may have "cured" claire for now, but no one (including jack) knows for sure if there is not something more nefarious going on with claire's "treatment."

4/13/2007 12:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Bruce said...

Biggest question is easy - We know that Jules wants off the island badly, so what did Ben offer her to do his bidding and why would she still have faith in trusting him?

Biggest answer - That Sawyer truly wants to be a good person and the leader. C'mon getting asprin for Claire and not all that happy when Jack returns (son of a bitch).

4/13/2007 12:51:00 PM  
Blogger Claude said...

No one has mentioned the implant. I think that's a big question!

4/13/2007 12:56:00 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

oh damn, i forgot about the implant. time to go rewatch.

4/13/2007 01:00:00 PM  
Anonymous jane doe said...

@ claude

yeah the implant is why i think the whole story with claire that juliet gave wasn't really an "answer" but perhaps just another con. after all, if we take what we've been given at face value, we know that both rousseau and ben's mother successfully gave birth on the island.

4/13/2007 01:22:00 PM  
Anonymous vicki h. said...

i just had a thought. if there is an underground tunnel. why didn't Juliette take the party of four thru the tunnel?
I am just trying to figure out what Juliette is up to. is she going to follow what Ben wants which might keep her knowledge of the tunnel a secret. or is she really with the Lostees -- thus letting the Lostees know of the secret tunnel.
Interesting thought. or maybe i am all off.
Any thoughts?

4/13/2007 01:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

paul in nyc- good point about Jack letting Juliet inject Claire. Maybe he saw through it... we can only hope. Also, to allow Juliet to do that, he must have known she was bluffing, therefore knowing there was no actual risk to Claire by her "curing" her. If he didn't see through it, he might wonder what a 2nd injection would do to her. He's a top-notch spinal surgeon too... not someone easy to BS like she did.

Claude- maybe patchy had an implant too, and the fence only set it off, and he's okay?? I know, it's wayout-there speculation, but something to consider. This whole situation with implants really stirs things up a bit.

Bruce- my guess about Juliet trusting Ben is because of the footage of her sister he showed her. Or... Juliet is playing the double agent.

jane doe- Juliet said the problem begins at conception, so if they got pregnant off-island, they might be okay. Of course, the losties don't know that, and will probably allow her to do something to Sun in the meantime. Maybe that's why Juliet was sent there for a week... to finish her expermient... on Sun.

For all the answers this episode answered, is really confuses more than it clarifies.

4/13/2007 03:57:00 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

there is still the possibility that jae lee is the father of sun's baby. this may or may not determine whether she will start getting sick.
i would love to know how juliet knows sun is pregnant (if she really does know). another mole perhaps?

4/13/2007 04:21:00 PM  
Blogger Claude said...


I like the idea of Juliet being a double agent. Maybe Jack trusts her so much because she secretly told him that she was left behind on purpose, then convinced Jack that he needed to play along for whatever reason...

Between Jack and Juliet, one of them is up to more than we've seen.

4/13/2007 06:45:00 PM  
Anonymous 420brownie said...

As much as I'd like to believe it, I'm afraid Jack has fallen for Juliet's con hook, line and sinker. I'm wondering how long the con is that Ben and Juliet are playing. It could include the little slide show that Juliet gave Jack when she was trying to convince him to let Ben die on the operating table. Set her up as the damsel in distress, and let Jack take the bait.

And I don't believe the Juliet double-agent theory either, as much as I'd like to. I think in this case, what you see is what you get. She may have a change of heart, but I think she's playing Ben's game in hopes of getting off the island once and for all.

4/13/2007 07:56:00 PM  
Blogger Jeri said...

I wonder if Juliet is there for Aaron, or Sun, or Desmond because he will see the future and 'rat' her out?

I think that this episode suggests that they did not arrive on the sub. You really would not have to be knocked out (everyone else wasn't) to ride underwater. But time travel... maybe so... Who were the other guys on the sub at the table?

Was the implant just a safety measure in case they needed it, or part of a long con?

Loved the scene in the flame - it was so affirming to see it all in such familiar modes of communication.

One of my bigger questions is still how do they get the really secret info like Sawyer's murder, etc.

There just are not enough pieces of the Jacob puzzle for me to make a guess.

Out of town, more later,

4/13/2007 08:04:00 PM  
Blogger Jeri said...

Good luck on the podcast - it will be quite a job! I know we stayed up for about an hour and a half talking after the episode, I can't imagine how far you guys can go!

Every once in a while I am amazed that this show can still surprise me! For example, I never imagined that Juliet would be with Goodwin. Nothing wrong with that, just would have never put two and two together in that way. This is why I keep watching. Even simple things can stay fresh on Lost.

4/13/2007 08:10:00 PM  
Anonymous MekareQ said...

You know what the best part of this con is? (By best, I mean crappiest) It's the fact that Benjamin Linus said "You'll get emotionally invested in Juliette" (or something to that effect). You've got to admit, telling someone your going to screw with them, telling them exactly how to screw with them, and still have them surprised that you screw them is pretty impressive. That's like, Penn and Teller level badass right there.

4/13/2007 08:27:00 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

ok theory time

from what we have gathered it seems that jacob can cure cancer. but can he give cancer also? did he give ben cancer for some yet unknown reason?
is there some sort of deal that if ben can help jacob create an heir that he will wind up curing ben's cancer? i know the tumor has been removed, but the cancer can always come back.

any thoughts?

4/13/2007 08:40:00 PM  
Anonymous vicki h. said...

I wonder why women who conceive on the island die from their pregnancy? what could cause that?
Doesn't Smokie like children!

4/13/2007 09:57:00 PM  
Anonymous vicki h. said...

i though one of the weirder scenes was when Ben said to Juliette that Jacob will cure her sisters cancer. Juliette believed him and she didn't have any strange look on her face (like how is that possible?).
then Ben gets cancer and Juliette does not ask Ben if Jacob will cure him.
It does not make sense.

4/13/2007 10:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Bruce said...

Another Question not answered - Why did the others/hostiles not want to keep Jack?

We know they desperately need a good surgeon/doctor
We have not seen a backstory which would make him out to be a bad person.
He has a good relationship with Ben, Tom and the Others.
We have seen from day one on the island how he puts himself in jeopardy to help others (example giving Boone a transplants from his own blood).
Just as they are able to dangle the I am sending you home carrot in front of Juliet, the same could be done with Jack.
At the very least he would taking an advantage away from the LOSTies.

Yet who does Ben keep by his side, none other than Locke.

4/13/2007 11:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Bruce said...

A question about the Justin/Claude blog

Options given
Choose an identity

Well if you have other, why not lostie and tailee too :)

4/13/2007 11:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, good points. Thanks for the replies!

mekareq- yeah, that's helacrappy if true.

Ben's tumor could be benign, and not cancerous. I don't think they ever said if they biopsied it or not, did they?

BIGGEST QUESTION: Why did they recommend Juliet be asleep for "the trip" and what makes it so "intense"??

4/14/2007 04:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Julia said...

We don't know Juliet's sister had a relapse of cancer, only Ben's word for it, which is a big pile of crapola. It was emotional blackmail to keep Juliet on the island, then 3 years later he can show the video and say Jacob had cured her.

Also, I think the pregnancy = death stuff is a clue to why Ben hates Karl so much and is trying to keep him away from Alex.

4/14/2007 05:06:00 AM  
Anonymous 420brownie said...

julia- excellent theory on Alex and Karl, I'll buy that.

As far as why Juliet was looking strangely at Desmond- I think she realized there's someone there that they don't know, and that is a dangerous thing for them, as "knowing" all the losties is one of their main advantages when conning them. If you remember, Ben and group didn't know about The Elizabeth- if they didn't know about the Elizabeth, I'd venture to guess they don't know about Desmond, certainly not his flashes. They may have seen him in the Swan while monitoring from the Pearl (maybe), but I don't think they know anything about him.

4/14/2007 07:41:00 AM  
Anonymous You-Know-Who said...

Just finished watching the episode for the second time, and I really like it.

a few points:

It seams like Ethan and Goodwin were the two surgeons for the Others (the scene in the operating room where the pregnant woman dies.) Why would Ben send those two to make the lists, when he should have known that that situation could be potentially dangerous. He could have sent different people who weren't as important to the Others community.

I liked Jacks "one of us" line at the end of the episode. It made me see things in a different way. It made me think that a big difference between "us" and "them" on Lost is not the Others vs. the Losties, it's the people who want to stay on the island (Locke,Ben) and the people who want to leave (Jack,most of the losties,Juliet). And that could be a deciding characteristic deciding whose on whose side.

4/14/2007 08:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Krys said...

Did Ben/Juliet actually say when they put the implant in Claire? I remember them saying something about 2 weeks... I dunno, I only watched it once.

4/14/2007 10:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Krys said...

vicki h:

Wow, I didn't even think of that. The first thing I'd ask Ben is why can't Jacob cure his cancer like he did Juliet's sister's. But she didn't even mention it.

Whether her sister's cancer really came back or not, it seems like that's what Juliet believes.

4/14/2007 11:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Bruce said...

Debunking time moves differently on the island

We deduced that Juliet first came to the island in early September 2001. When she told Jack that she has been on the island 3 years 2 months and 28 days (end of episode 307).

Off the Island we know that Rachel, Juliet's sister had just gotten pregnant.

We know Juliet was on the island for 6 months and we know that Rachel still had not give birth and her cancer returned. That would be around March 2002.

2 1/2 years later - September 22, 2004
As Oceanic 815 crashed, Juliet is at Mikhail's Flame station looking at pictures of Rachel who had been cancer free for over 2 years and has a son who is between 2 and 2 1/2.

The off and on island time lines are consistent. Also Juliet knows when she came to the island to the day. When she saw today's newspaper September 22, 2004, she would have questioned the date.

4/14/2007 12:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Bruce said...

You-Know-Who said...
Just finished watching the episode for the second time, and I really like it.

a few points:

It seams like Ethan and Goodwin were the two surgeons for the Others


If the objective of the lists were to find medical conditions of the survivors of 815, they would be the best candidates. Also if this was not fiction but reality, who would be suspicious of other crash survivors.

But here is another interesting thought - Ethan and Goodwin got their medical training off the island, so we may assume they were recruited

4/14/2007 12:31:00 PM  
Anonymous MekareQ said...

Okay, I think this makes sense medically:

If the island increases someone's immunity, their *own* defenses, then everything makes sense. The *island* is not healing *anything*

Locke: Locke had nerve damage from when he flew out of the window. Presumably, his own bone shards from his spine sliced his nerves. Nerves don't heal well because the insulated portion of the nerve, the 'mylelin' takes forever to regenerate. It does heal, but it takes too long. If the island makes your own immune system work at incredible rates, it could conceivably have regenerated the damaged tissue like *that*.

Rose: Rose had cancer, some forms of cancer are cells disorders in which your cells mutate and reproduce too fast, acting as weeds and choking out the cells and organs that are responsible for keeping you alive. If the island hastens your own defense, the cells that typically destroy mutant cells might have multiplied, done their jobs and then killed themselves (that's what they're supposed to do) as quickly as Locke's nerves regenerated. In essence making Rose's cancer disapear.

Ben: Okay, this is where it gets tricky, but I think the fact that Ben was emphatic that he had a "tumor" and not "cancer" is the key. There are "cancerous tumors" but not every tumor is cancerous. I'm not an expert but I think that some tumors are just fatty tissue. If one was growing on his spine, it might have caused all his issues, and event threatened his life, but not been recognized by his own system as a bad thing. I'm not sure why he isn't healing as quickly as he should though.

The mothers: Sometimes this happens in the real world and causes extreme difficulties in getting pregnant. Your immune system is so over-active that it attacks a fetus as a foreign object and destroys it. I don't understand how the mother on the operating table was so far along, unless they were giving her heavy immuno-suppresents but it might explain why Claire's baby and Danielle's survived. They were so far along in their pregnancies that their bodies recognized the babies were not threats, and they didn't try to destroy them.

I'm not a doctor, but I think that this stuff is acurate, are there any doctors in the house?


4/14/2007 01:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Bruce said...


Are we sure Rose is cured of cancer?

Just because she thinks she is does not mean she is. Also she could just be in a temporary remission.

Going into fantasy for a second, perhaps Ben is an unwitting empath and absorbed Rose's cancer.

4/14/2007 03:21:00 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

"We've activated the implant in Claire. She should be symptomatic within the next 48 hours." - Benjamin Linus

it seems that they haven't indicated when they put the implant in claire, IF they put the implant in claire. maybe it was put into her before the crash???

Ben told Juliet that he would see her in a week. I wonder what will take a week's time for Juliet to investigate, meddle with, destroy.

4/14/2007 07:31:00 PM  
Anonymous 420brownie said...

Paul, I'm assuming they put in the implant when Ethan took her. The problem with that is, surely they didn't have a plan for it then, maybe they just put it in "in case". I'm wondering if this implant doesn't explain the "sickness". Depending on how easy it is to "implant", Ben's group could implant it in whoever and however many people they wanted, activate it, and wala, instant sickness, thereby freaking out and possibly killing Dharma or whoever they wanted off the island. What would have happened if Juliet had not treated Claire? Would she have gotten over it on her own, or would it have killed her?

Hmmm, gets me thinking. How many times has Ben pulled the "activate implant, administer antidote, save the day" con. I wonder if that's how Jacob cures people. Parlor tricks?

4/14/2007 08:30:00 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

hmm... why was alex SO convinced that Ethan/Juliet/Goodwin were going to kill claire that she risked her own ass to help her escape?
why would they implant anything into claire if they were going to kill her?
it makes me wonder if they really did implant something into sawyer after all. not necessairly in his heart, but somewhere else?

4/14/2007 09:21:00 PM  
Blogger Claude said...

Hey guys,

The podcast will be up tomorrow! Hang tight.

In the meantime, enjoy some non-LOST banter at Mr. Podcast. Yes, a NEW episode!

4/15/2007 01:51:00 PM  
Anonymous 420brownie said...

Claude, LOL, I always thought the Mr. Podcast references were sorta like an inside joke. Just subscribed, off to listen!!

4/15/2007 02:35:00 PM  
Blogger Jeri said...

So, back to drinking....I assume that they serve Blue Moon with an orange in CA - that has been the drink of choice around here since last summer. If you like Blue Moon, try Stella Artois.
Speaking of Stella Artois, I think I will open a cold one and enjoy Mr. Podcast! (If it is as long as the last 2, I may need more than 1!) Personally, I enjoy the music talk...

4/15/2007 06:10:00 PM  
Blogger Claude said...


The only way to drink Blue Moon is with an orange. Don't trust anyone who tries to serve it with lemon!!

Stella is awesome as well. But Blue Moon is just a tad better, IMHO.

Enjoy the podcast...

4/15/2007 06:50:00 PM  
Anonymous MekareQ said...

I think that Rose's cancer being cured is one of those things you have to take on faith, the way she described it going away, it didn't seem to be a remission.

I could be nuts though.

I wanted to add this, it might be pertinent to this week's episode:

It occured to me that Desmond may not be seeing Charlie's demise at all. I think that he might be seeing Claire's. The question becomes, why would Desmond lie? I think that the answer might be that Charlie is so possessive of Claire that he will (inadvertantly) sabotage efforts to save her, by trying to save her himself. Two easy examples of this are: When Desmond is rescuing Claire from drowning, although Charlie doesn't have any expertise or skill that would help her, he is very close to pushing Desmond away so that he can tend to her himself. The other example is when the lightening is about to hit their little shack, although Desmond offers to help, and encourages them to leave, Charlie gets defensive, and obstinate, and assures him that he is "very handy" and can deal with it himself.

Telling Charlie that he is the victim in every scenario distracts Charlie from the efforts of Desmond on Claire's behalf, and even makes Charlie more cooperative. Charlie does not have a problem accepting help for himself, but he wants to be the only one to save Claire.

I think the best defense of this theory is the fact that Charlie was no where near the bird that was supposed to have left him to be crushed against the rocks, and that Claire certainly would have died in the ocean without the intervention of Desmond, whether or not Charlie would have actually died is impossible to know. Claire was though. I know that she followed Desmond to that bird, but I think she was more likely to go actively looking for, and more likely to attemp retrieving a seabird than Charlie would be, even if he was all aboard.


4/15/2007 07:16:00 PM  
Blogger Jeri said...

Who are the 2 guys sitting at the table in the sub when Juliet 'arrives.' Do either look familiar?

4/16/2007 06:08:00 AM  
Blogger Dr Quatermass said...

Juliette says Claire is the first mother to survive, she doesn't say ever!

I'd think children used to be able to be born on the island (hence the island civilisation we're presuming existed or exists, and Ben, and Alex).
Who else do we reckon is from the island? Ben said not many.

Anyway I think the 'incident' caused the islanders not to be able to have children any more.

Or even whatever the 'pressing button' protocol did (an electromagnetic venting?) caused the baby problem. If this is the case can they have them now?

The implant was placed in Claire very early on, too early to be for this plan, if it's about Sun.

4/16/2007 06:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The implant doesn't surprise me. My suspicion is they put an implant in everybody they can, just in case. That, and they've been known to plan ahead... way ahead. Could there be a link between Smokie and the implants? Eh, probably not. Maybe someone smarter than me has a theory alone these lines though?

And hey, shouldn't the EMP have either set off or destroyed the implants? And how did it destroy some electronics but not others? Maybe an oversight by the writers. Creative license ;) Lame!

We did learn that the Flame communications worked VERY recently, like before the EMP. So maybe it was repairable. I'm starting to think Locke's mission in life is to prevent anyone from rescuing them. I hate that I don't know which characters to hate & love anymore. We're only being shown actions, and not the motives behind them. Maybe C&J can shed some light in the podcast. C'mon guys!

4/16/2007 08:36:00 AM  
Anonymous 420brownie said...

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4/16/2007 10:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Luber said...

Greetings ye rusty ol' deathmummies!

I'll put this episode on my top 3 list of this season. I really liked Ben in this one. I want him for my pet. And up-to-no-good-Juliet strikes again. But things is staring add up. I'm psyched to see the rest of this season.

Waiting for the podcast! I'm sure it will be good, lots of interesting stuff to talk about. A long one, I hope.

4/16/2007 01:59:00 PM  
Anonymous You-Know-Who said...

Can't wait for the Podcast. It's gonna be awesome!

4/16/2007 02:09:00 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

i froze the frame with the 2 guys in the sub. at first i thought it was michael and pickett sitting there. upon further scrutiny, it definitely is not michael. maybe the other guy is pickett? i couldn't tell because the guy was not angry and wet.

4/16/2007 03:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Bruce said...

Jeri and Paul

The 2 guys at the table in the sub are most likely just log carriers/red shirts/furniture/etras

They probably have an important job as sub operations go, but most likely are not important to the story of LOST.

4/16/2007 05:40:00 PM  
Anonymous You-Know-Who said...

Whats up with the Podcast?

4/16/2007 08:48:00 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

i'm dyin' here...
i'm looking at you justin...

4/16/2007 09:17:00 PM  
Blogger Justin said...

the podcast will be up soon

4/16/2007 10:27:00 PM  
Blogger Justin said...

sorry guys, hipcast isn't working for me...

it's ready to go, i'll try again tomorrow.

4/16/2007 10:50:00 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

thanks guys

4/17/2007 03:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Alice said...

Great podcast again. Your Jacob voice cracked me up
"I can heat up her muffins"

4/17/2007 08:14:00 AM  
Blogger Joe said...

Hey guys... just starting the podcast now... under 4 1/2 hours is pretty economical...

I'd like to register a complaint with the Lost fan community... no big deal and no reflection on this forum in particular, but I think we are mis-using the term "con"... Juliette is not conning the Losties, she is just plain lying to them. Ever since "The Long Con" it seems like the word con is just substituting the word lie in our discussions. It's kind of like the "Bad Twin" era of Lost, where every time it was even a remote association, everyone threw in that phrase.

Just my two cents... see you in 4 1/2 hours.


4/17/2007 10:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Laura said...

I'm just starting the podcast, so apologies if this gets mentioned in the show, since it's been mentioned on various other blogs.

The anagram for Herarat (Aviation)


As in Emelia Earhart who (with her co-pilot) disappeared in a plane over the South Pacific and has been long rumored to be the skeletons found in the caves way back in season 1.

4/17/2007 11:24:00 AM  
Blogger Jeri said...

As I am listening to the podcast, a few things come to mind:

Not only do I also hate the word 'Preggers', but the repeated use of it led me to not even like Rachel, sad, I know, vocabulary ruins a friendship ;(

After finding out about the implant, I pretty much dismissed everything that Juliet told Kate about why they had abducted Claire. I think that that story was fabricated to make them want Juliet to treat Claire. I think that Claire would have been fine, Danielle was.

Therefore, "Ethan's Drop Point" would also be fake - this was the place 'whatever' meds that counteracted the implant were left; Juliet had to be able to explain why they were there.

I believe that Juliet is either there for Aaron or Sun, I can't imagine that they do not know that Sun is (how about) "expectating." They know a lot of obscure infomation.
Maybe they will tie in that Sun was supposedly taken by the others before, exposed as a lie, and this time no one will believe her?

Hard to separate the lies from the 'revelations' in this one. I think we need some more fill.

4/17/2007 11:54:00 AM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

Not only do I also hate the word 'Preggers', but the repeated use of it led me to not even like Rachel, sad, I know, vocabulary ruins a friendship ;(

somehow i feel the same way

4/17/2007 06:08:00 PM  
Blogger stephen said...

I bet Juliet and Ben are in on it together, and the other others think that Juliet is really being left behind.

4/17/2007 10:44:00 PM  
Blogger brodieman3847 said...

Did anyone else notice that when Juliet was administering the injection to Claire that there was air in the tube of the needle?

4/17/2007 11:34:00 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

thanks for talking about mike tyson's punch out. it brought back some great memories. i almost choked on my pizza when claude chimed in with his remarks about king hippo. :)

4/18/2007 12:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Bruce said...

Wow never heard anyone object to the word preggers before.

When Justin is the Actors Studio, I thing we now know his answer when James Lipton asks him what word he hates.

4/18/2007 12:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

brodieman- i noticed the needle air bubbles too. sloppy.

4/18/2007 05:55:00 AM  
Blogger Jeri said...

OK, this is a reach, but maybe the "implant" is a baby? That is why Claire is presenting symptoms?

4/18/2007 08:57:00 AM  
Blogger FeFeMartini said...

wow, what a crazy episode! I was expecting like a 10 hour podcast on this one! I did notive that Juliet left air in the needle... and Jack didn't seem to notice, which leads me to think he's a shitty doctor. so I feel like when the week is up, the Others will have to stage some elaborate kidnapping of Juliet to take her back with them, without letting the Losties know about the plan... just my thoughts...

4/18/2007 10:18:00 AM  
Blogger FeFeMartini said...

I'm really disappointed that this week is a Desmond episode. His storyline is getting repetitive and boring. ugh.

4/18/2007 10:52:00 AM  
Blogger mexico84 said...

loool, the J.A.C.O.B.-part is comedy gold. Your podcast is just hilarious, everytime I laugh my ass off :P

4/18/2007 01:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

fefe- nice pun! Desmond getting repetitive :p

I had a thought listening to the podcast. I think the Others have been there a long time, maybe an ancient race like the Atlanteans or something, and they lost the ability to reproduce, so they brought Juliet. I think the photo of a 26 y.o. woman with a 76 y.o. uterus was one from an Other. Maybe she lived a really long time, and looked young. Maybe Ben is 90 y.o. like you said in the podcast. That also explains why they took the children. But more importantly it explains why they're interested in Claire. Juliet said to Ben that taking a pregnant woman off the island would prove her theory about the problem being at conception. Well, that means the opposite would prove the same theory, bring a woman to the island after conception. I think Ben will let Juliet go home (submarine or not) when she solves the problem she was brought there to solve... the Others ability to get preggers. I mean pregnant! Sorry Justin ;)

4/18/2007 02:01:00 PM  
Blogger Malcolm said...

i noticed you guys talking about the score. you should listen to the dharmalars, if you don't already. the friday show is really funny, and most of the time, if jimmy isn't sick or on vacation, they have a 15 or so minute segment about the score. theres a short one on the friday show, too.

4/18/2007 02:13:00 PM  
Anonymous paul in nyc said...

jimmy's score breakdowns are REALLY interesting

4/18/2007 05:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Love the computer voice!

J.A.C.O.B = Just A Computer Of Ben's

4/19/2007 01:31:00 PM  

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