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posted by Justin at 4/04/2007 07:52:00 AM
Wednesday, April 04, 2007
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Can't wait for tonights episode!
I just want to say that I wish they would do another Sawyer episode this season instead of another Kate one.
you know we haven't had a charlie one yet. i wonder if we will by season's end? definitely not by the next three episodes. i really hope they aren't saving his flashback for the season finale so they can kill him off and relieve desmond of that story line, because i like charlie and the show would seem so empty without his whiny, snarky self.
SLIGHT SPOILER ALERT
If you go to darkufo.blogspot.com you can see spoilers about whose flashbacks are coming up for the rest of the season. According to that information we will have a Charlie episode this season, and it's not the season finale.
SPOILER ALERT!
I found this lineup and I am so excited!
April 4 - 3x15 Left Behind (Kate)
April 11 - 3x16 One of Us (Juliet)
April 18 - 3x17 Catch 22 (Desmond)
April 25 - 3x18 D.O.C. (Jin)
May 2 - 3x19 The Brig (Jack)
May 9 - 3x20 The Man Behind the Curtain (Dharma)
May 16 - 3x21 Greatest Hits (Charlie)
May 23 - ___ season finale (2 hours, 9 - 11 pm EST)
A Dharma flashback? How fabulous!!
I really enjoyed this episode. The first Kate episode I've like this much, in fact. Focussing on female characters so much was really refreshing, usually it's men men men oh HI KATE, JACK OR SAWYER? men men men... women even dominated the flashbacks!
We learned a lot this episode:
1. The sonic fence protects against Smokey and the Others can turn the fence on and off, but don't really know what Smokey is
2. Smokey apparently comes with a "flash" for those dark and rainy days
3. Juliet is now an honorary Lostie? Or is she a plant by the Others? I hope the latter is not true, personally
4. Locke is The Cobra! ACK! What an asshole. Seriously. I feel bad for him, but if I were on the island and knew what I know as a viewer I'd punch him in his smug little face.
5. Kate has more in common with Sawyer than she realizes
6. Things on the beach are about to get crazy
SPOILER (if you don't watch the previews for next week)
Hopefully a lot of answers about the Others next week. PLUS: Evil Ethan in a hoodie! (does this remind anyone of Evil Charlie in a hoodie?)
Things I Learned from Left Behind
Cassidy and Sawyer really did have baby Clementine together.
Cassidy loves Sawyer even though he stole her life savings,
Despite being an abused woman, Kate's mom really loved her husband.
Kate really wants to do the right thing, but screws up.
Their are codes to turn off the sonic alarm.
The Others trusted Juliet enough to give her codes.
Smokey cannot penetrate the sonic alarm.
Juliet's shoulder was dislocated 4 times, makes you wonder if she was abused.
I believe Juliet was not Left Behind and below are some of the reasons i believe this.
1. she handcuffed herself to Kate. She had the key and she admitted that she wasn't really handcuffed to Kate by the Others. So she had to be awake and not gased to do that.
2. she knew the security fence was not armed. That was a big clue. If she was really left behind and gased then how would she know about the fence.
3. for the above mention reasons. i don't think she was gased at all.
i think she might be placed in the Lostees camp to get information for Ben and maybe to get Aaron from Claire.
She is not to be trusted.
LOCKE WILL DESTROY THE OTHERS
Not because he wants to, he just destroys everything.
He said they were upset and unforgiving to Kate, yet the hostiles had no problem with Locke killing Mikhail? Since we know young people do not stand a chance near him, wave goodbye to Alex and Karl.
I also blame Locke for the death of Artz, remember Locke wanted the dynamite. Locke's actions also killed Eko.
[b]How will it happen?[/b]
Quite simple, he will don a dirty bomb with plans to go to the beach and blow up all the Losties. As he gets ready to go to the beach, Ben will ask him if he wants to play Parcheesi. After he beats Ben, he will pat himself on the back and blow up all the hostiles.
Vicki
I don't think she is a plant. If you were the hostiles and you know she killed Pickett, they branded her and she wanted to leave them, would you pick her as a plant.
What is in it for her anyway? She earned her ticket home and did not get to use it.
Knowing how Ben manipulates people, he specifically told Jack, Juliet does not like you. He knows Jack is invested in her. If they were going to plant her, they could have knocked out Jack, wait a couple of hours and Juliet could have gone in there and pretended to be knocked out and wait for Jack to come around.
Or she could have made believe that they abandoned her, (tied her up, knocked her out or whatever) and eventually gone in and rescued Jack, Sayid and Kate.
So I conclude she is not a plant she is like the Elephant man, a human being!
Well, it looks like we got another fill-in, catch-up episode that is obviosly setting up a few things: Juliet joing the survivor's camp and the Other's mission with Locke.
One question I had from this episode is: did Dharma build the Pylons or did the Others? Apparently the Others don't know much about smokey, which sugests that Dharma was the one that brought/created it.
Sonic waves must be smokey's weakness, unless Juliet activated a force field that was previously disabled.
Another funny thing I noticed is Hurley's role reversal into a sort of Locke-like character; consulting and advising Sawyer to change his ways. Will Sawyer be redeemed and eventually pass away? Maybe not due to the absence of a second flashback this year.
The Kate backstory was a little better than last time's, and it of course included a very close tie-in with Cassidy. I've noticed that the writer's are really emphasizing the extremeley close connections between the characters this season...I think a big one is coming up.
Regarding Locke...He is obviously on some sort of mission that must involve a reward that Locke can't refuse. Was this Ben's plan all along? To abandon the barracks, take the "good" people with him, and leave the flawed ones behind? Or did He make a quick decision and decided to leave because the "bad" people had contaminated their camp? I have a feeling that the Others have another base somewhere. I can't wait until we get the full story on Locke, his dad, and Ben.
That is all for now.
For the record:
Not everyone in Iowa is always wearing a trucker hat. Sorry, it just annoyed me how crappy they made all of Iowa look. (It's pretty crappy, but not that rural everywhere.)
So we got gipped with a short podcast this week, that sux, no much to be said when claude and justin cant milk more than a few hours out of a lost ep ;)
Whats the over/under on when cliff divorces that monster of a witch stephanie. Being bitchy is bad, being bitchy and disgusting looking is terrible.
Lockes other kidney
Woohoo. Despite a TIVO with a mind of it's own and a sketchy HD over-the-air signal last night, I still managed to get the whole episode. 420 was getting angry!!
Couple of comments on the last podcast.
1. S-to-the-U-to-the-N...bwaahahhahhahhahhahhhaaaa. Hilarious.
2. Bringing brownies to work- the best idea I've heard in a while, I think you guys are on to something.
3. Live podcast- can't WAIT!! Hope you can deal with a Mississippi accent!
4. Razzle-dazzle! Is it me, or does she also thrown in a martial-arts-sounding "ha" after razzle dazzle? I'd like to show Nikki some razzle dazzle! Whaaattttt?
On last night's episode...
Fefe- if you think the way Iowa is depicted bad, try living in Mississippi...
Vicki- I'm VERY suspicious of Juliette, but at this point, I'm going to pull a new year's justin and make a call that she's not a plant. But I agree (and I think Sayid does too) that something stinks here...got my eyes on you Juliette! Could have sworn she was one of the ones we could see putting on a gas mask (when Kate is looking out the window of the rec hall).
Locke- can't wait to get more on that storyline. Seems he's with Ben now.
Jack- you're annoying me again. Get over yourself. Stupid for thinking you were really getting off the island anyway, don't you know it's just season 3?
Sawyer- enjoy being a leader for one episode- Jack, Kate, Sayid are coming back, not to mention Juliette.
Loved seeing smokey as much as we did, and it's really cool to find out that the others don't really know what it is. That answers a lot, or perhaps more on point, squashes a bunch of theories about the others controlling it.
Definitely sort of a transition episode, but I thought it was one of the better ones. Crazy as hell that Kate and Cassidy hooked up. Crazy as hell!
why didn't Sayid ask Kate about Locke? He never asked where Locke was.
was it all Kates fault that Jack couldn't leave the island? Jack never told Kate that Locke blew up the sub. was Locke blowing up the Sub Kates fault? I am confused.
Vicki,
I think it's safe to assume to Locke said bye to Sayid as well. Though I don't think he said bye to Jack, but then again Jack should be very pissed about the sub.
And I too was waiting for Jack to tell Kate about the sub. I think he wanted her to feel guilty for a bit. I'm sure Kate will find out soon.
claude- i didn't think of that. i wonder what he said to Sayid as to why he wasn't coming with Locke and the Others.
Vicki, I was also wondering about why Kate thinks the whole thing is her fault, and I think it's because she feels responsible for leading the expedition (or at least forming it) to rescue Jack. In her mind, had she not come back for him, Locke wouldn't have been there to blow up the sub.
on the one hand Jack is an ass, and on the other hand Jack is an ass.
I understand that Kate lead the expedition to get him back, that lead to Locke blowing up the sub and that Jack told her not to come back, blah blah blah, but Kate was did what she did out of selflessness, because she cared for Jack and because I think it's what she would want him to do for her. Plus if they hadn't found Jack and he miraculously got to go back home, that would seem completely selfish leaving everybody else there. He said he'd come back for Kate, but the Others say there's no way to find the island again once you leave, and if the Others can't find I don't think anyone can. So the Losties would still be on the island and Jack would be the new Michael (minus the murder). Jack's power play was completely selfish, trusting the Others just to save himself when Kate risked her life to make sure Jack was okay...
Gah what a dope. I understand he's pissed that his ride got jacked, but like direct that anger at Locke, he's the one smapering off to play with the Others now, Kate's still got your back, dude
my problem with it is that it was a filler episode in disguise. everyone loved this episode because "oh! all this stuff happened!" nothing happened. the episode started with kate in otown with locke, sayid, juliet, jack, and the others. she hated juliet, and she was sorry for ruining jacks chances of going home. it ended with the same thing, except locke and the others were gone. that could have been shown in one scene, but they stretched it out to one whole episode.
back in season 1, there was a little episode called special that a lot of people didn't like. i loved it. it was a filler episode, but at least something happened. it started with michael hating locke because he thaught he was going to do something bad to walt. when michael causes walt to get in big trouble with a polar bear, him and locke have to put aside their differences to work towards a common goal: saving walt. when i heard that juliet and kate were handcuffed to each other and trying to get back to otown. at first they would hate each other, but then they have to put aside their differences to work towards a common goal: getting back to otown. they never put aside their differences, they never became friends, their relationship stayed the same.
i could have a whole episode about sawyer being coached by hurley on how to be nice. that story actually changed from where it has started. it started with sawyer being selfish, mean, and unwilling to be a leader. at the end of the episode, he was selfless, nice, and realized that he has to step up to the plate and use his leadership skills.
tricia tanaka is dead, and expose have both been dissed for being filler episodes. yes they are filler episodes, but so was this one. it tricked everyone into thinking it was a real episode by showing others, and smokey. if lost was like the sopranos, and could just decide that they only wanted 10 episodes in the season, this one would never be there. in addition to this, tricia tanaka is dead and expose actually had a different outcome from how it started. in tricia tanaka is dead, hurley helped charlie get over his fear of dying, and they all got to forget about their troubles. in expose, we learned about bens plan, we learned about paulo and nikkis time on the island, and sun found out about charlie and sawyer. aside from the fact that stuff actually happened, it was just a fun episode. this one just sucked.
i'm sure i'll enjoy listening to the live podcast, but i probably won't join in on the fun, because i have a really bad speaking voice. i was a bit disappointed. i hope you guys do something over the break, like the a to z thing, best moments of a character, or commentaries. otherwise, i would get serious lld withdraw syndrome. maybe you guys can do a live episode commentary, if the first one works out. i'm still waiting for the lld forum. i 'm so excited!
SPOILER-ISH:
the 2 hour season finale flashback is rumored to be... ben linus.
can't wait!
jane doe, i agree with you. Jack is an ass. He sure has changed after living in Otown. i wonder how he will act once he goes back to the lostees. I wonder if he will stop Sayid from interegating Juliette?
420 brownie, i agree that she feels guilty but how does she know that Locke blew up the Sub? Did i miss something, did someone tell her? i just don't remember anyone telling her that Locke blew the sub.
Malcolm said...
my problem with it is that it was a filler episode in disguise.
Every episode is a filler episode.
First episode - Plane crashes on island
FILLERS
Last episode - Survivors are finally rescued.
Every episode should be enjoyed individually. Just because it does not advance every plotline, it is certainly not a filler. A filler episode would be if Hurley says it is TV night - lets watch CSI and then they show you the losties watching an episode of CSI.
I thought this episode was good, and continued the ongoing storyline of Juliet's obsession with sandwiches. She must be getting pretty pissed that nobody shares her enthusiasm for them.
I like to think of the episode as a "transitional" one rather than a "filler". Really, there's a lot going on in this episode. In my mind, Locke and Juliet switching sides is a huge deal. The others abandoning o-town is a pretty big deal too.
I've never been a fan of Kate's backstories, but I liked this one a lot- the connection with Cassidy was great, and I liked how they gave us a reason as to why Kate's mom gave her up to the feds. And think about this- Sawyer taught Cassidy the art of con, then Cassidy passes some tricks on to Kate, who ultimately ends up falling in love with Sawyer (can't help who we love, remember?).
SEMI-SPOILER ALERT- OFFICAL PODCAST
The official podcast is up- not a lot in it, but it sounds like Ben left Juliet behind for a reason, but not to be a plant. Sounds like their "history" is coming into play. Also, Juliet is not being honest with Kate about her knowledge of Smokey. And we won't be seeing Locke again for another 3 episodes.
vicki- I think we're supposed to believe that Kate was told by someone (off-screen) that Locke blew up the sub.
bruce said:
Every episode should be enjoyed individually. Just because it does not advance every plotline, it is certainly not a filler.
sorry. the way i worded it was different than what i thought. i like filler episodes, if they are good. this was a bad filler episode. i loved expose, and tricia tanaka. this episode did almost nothing, very poorly.
i can give the writers many chances, but one of the writers of this episode has written some of my least favorite episodes.
* "Abandoned"
* "The Hunting Party" (with Christina M. Kim)
* "The Whole Truth" (with Christina M. Kim)
* "Two for the Road" (with Christina M. Kim)
* "Further Instructions" (with Carlton Cuse)
* "Stranger in a Strange Land" (with Christina M. Kim)
* "Left Behind" (with Damon Lindelof)
granted, they wrote the hunting party, and two for the road, but all the other ones sucked. there are about 10 episodes of lost i did not like, but this is the first one that i hated.
Malcolm! Malcolm! Malcolm!
(Yes I am talking to the one in the middle!)
I hope you did not think that I was admonishing you for calling this a filler. But how can you not like two hot women, handuffed together, wrestling, ending up in the mud. This was my wish box episode.
But we learned TWO incredibly important things about Smokey. We know that the hostiles know of smokey and most importantly that we now know smokey's kryptonite. Smokey is not invincible.
420Brownie is absolutely correct - there was a major plot point the exchange of selfish agenda Locketard for the hot bright blonde Juliet.
In the B story we learned Cassidy really loved Sawyer. He parented Clementine. ...and most importantly she did not send him to jail, As previously said we also now know Diane's motivation for turning Kate in.
In the C story we even saw Sawyer turning into James Ford.
Alice
Did you notice if Juliet's sandwiches had toothpicks or if it was grilled?
I liked this episode. I agree with people who say it was a transitional episode, but it was a pretty damn good one!
By the way Claude and Justin when are we gonna know what time tomorrow your gonna do the live podcast.
If it's between 6 and 10 PST time then I won't be able to make it.
Bruce,
When Kate picked up the bread from the floor it looked normal and ungrilled. Obviously she keeps the big guns for her love interests. Not sure about the toothpicks though.
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