Monday, November 13, 2006

Podcast #18

Episode 3.6: "I Do"


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39 Comments:

Blogger Claude said...

Whoo Hoo! It's here. And let me just say that we are surprised we got as much out of this episode and you guys will be!

10:00 PM  
Blogger Curt said...

Posting while listening so I can remember shit:

Coumpound Breach: Pickett initialy asked if teh doctor got out and then replied 'what is she doing here?'

5:47 AM  
Blogger Curt said...

Alex: My thinking on her was that it was a complete diversion or ruse allowing her to tell Kate that they want to kill Sawyer and her request to speak to Ben. Later when Ben ask if Alex asked about him was his way of knowing that Juliet is lying to him.

6:11 AM  
Blogger Curt said...

Kate - Two Weeks so tough: I still say she has made a deal and that it was tough to lie to her friends and conceal it. A little hard labor is no big deal.

6:28 AM  
Blogger Curt said...

Alex - Part Deux: I think you guys were so close on her. I agree that Ben is the master strategist and tactician. Alex is in cohoots with Ben and it even played out so she would get sent back to the other side so she can come back for Kate and Sawyer.

7:25 AM  
Anonymous 420brownie said...

Wow- 5 hours of goodness! Just started listening, so I'll post some comments later. Just wanted to shout out a big thanks for the podcast. Later.

9:32 AM  
Blogger Curt said...

Schack? isn't that what the Kidney was in?? :-)

11:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the smoke monster: i feel like the smoke monster was using Eko. It basically tricked him into pushing the button (yeah, yeah, the island's/monster's intentions are completely muddled) and it was using the guise of Yemi to give him marching orders. in the 'cost of living' Eko defied it and it realized that he was no longer its puppet. so it thrashed him.


DJ Mr. Monkey MD

7:15 PM  
Blogger vargas said...

I agree with you guys when you mentioned that it's plausible that there's probably only one active "energy" or mystical presence on the island instead of two. That Cerberus (smoky) is actually apart of the island itself and functions as the Judge aspect of the island.

Jack/Ben/Juliette/: I'm of two minds here. I think that what was brought up in the show - that Jack doesn't not trust Ben or Juliette and that his decision to do the surgery had nothing to do with helping them and that he created his own plan is most likeky correct. However I have my own crackpot theory - that Jack and Ben are working together in this. After all why did Jack even bother to demand that Ben get him off of the island that night before the surgery unless he was planning to do something for Ben in exchange for his freedom? It could be that Ben and Jack are working against Juliette for their own reasons. Like I said, crackpot! lol!

Not finished listening to the show. Later!

Victoria

9:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ben, Alex, Surgery:
1. Alex was raised by Ben, maybe even told she was his daughter. She fell in love with Karl. Karl did something to cross the others. Karl's incarceration and whatver punishment was meted out to him (death?), along with her observation of how the others are treating the losties, sparked a lightbulb for Alex and she realized that the others aren't the "good people" she'd been told all of her life. This set off rabblerousin' Alex and her trusty sidekick, slingshot.
2. Alex opened Jack's door on her own accord as part of her rebellion.
3. Jack grabbed his gun and saw Kate & Sawyer together. The writers wanted the audience to believe that Jack was devestated by seeing Kate with Sawyer, and that he's petty enough to want off the island to be away from the hurt. Instead, [begin melodramatic TV trope]Jack saw Kate & Sawyer in love, realized that they had something important to live for, so he does the right thing.
4. i don't believe that Ben was orchestrating any big plot. His big goal was to go under the knife and the events proved how vulnerable he was at that point.
5. Julliet seemed like she spent the whole episode trying to read Jack's plays, like she believed he had agreed to help her kill Ben, and was trying to follow his lead. Jack had no intentions of teaming with her, but she kept reading it as him biding his time.
6. i didn't read the hesitation in the kidney cutting as any apprehension on Jack's part. i think he was trying to be sereptitious with the scalpel since he was being assisted by Juliette and the other others.
5. i laughed at the the thought of Nikki, Paulo and Desmond hanging out in the woods for an hour waiting for Locke & Sayid to get back. Here's another great unfilmed moment. Jack has Ben at gunpoint. He agrees to do the surgery. He hands Ben the gun and he walks back in to his fish tank to wait for the morning.

DJ Mr. Monkey MD

9:21 PM  
Blogger Joe said...

Hey guys... just popping in for a Yanko-style mid-podcast comment:

Re: the "surgeons" in the meical staff with Claire.

I have always thought that the flashbacks of Claire in the medical station were seen from her drugged point of view. From the examination room and the nursery that we see in the flashbacks, it looks like a well-appointed, clean facility... but when we go back there with Kate, Rousseau and Claire it looks like 30 years has passed since she was there with Ethan... Therefore I concluded that Claire's trip to a "medical facility" with lots of "doctors" was really a trip to a broken down old station with a bunch of dirty others milling around.

Does that make sense to you guys?

Anyway, back to the podcast... only 2 hours to go...

10:58 AM  
Blogger Joe said...

OK, me again for another mid-podcast comment:

Re: Ben counting down from twenty.

I had knee surgery when I was in college, and when they put me under the doctor told me to count backwards from 100. I didn't get to the nine in ninety-nine.

True story... I think that's how it's supposed to go.

11:06 AM  
Anonymous 420brownie said...

I'm about 2/3s thru the podcast, but before I forgetI wanted to clear something up regarding Jack's instructions to Kate on escaping. When Jack is talking to Kate on the walkie-talkie, he tells Kate to, "take the radio, take Sawyer, and run...". I think that pretty much tells us that Jack planned for Sawyer to escape with Kate. Later.

11:06 AM  
Blogger Justin said...

joe,
only claire's room looked nice in the flashback. when they went to check it out, it still had the wallpaper up. i think she remembered accurately. the others just took everything. also, it's sort of like the desmond scene in S2E1 where the hatch looks nicer than it ever looked after that, cause they are trying to trick us into thinking it's off the island. they pulled the same trick with claire.

420,
that line was not in the episode as aired. it was apparently cut, as it appears in some abc promo podcast. but you're right, he did include sawyer in the script.

11:13 AM  
Anonymous 420brownie said...

Justin, thanks for clearing that up. I knew I had heard it as a clip in a podcast somewhere, and just assumed when I heard it that I missed it when I watched the episode. Ohh, you know what happens when we assume!!

2:47 PM  
Blogger Justin said...

boy, do I.

4:21 PM  
Blogger Justin said...

I think it's very odd that they cut that line. I guess we'll get to see it on the dvd, though.

4:22 PM  
Blogger phat_cartman said...

Wow, great podcast... lousy episode. How many gorram retarted flashbacks do I have to sit through before getting some fracking answers?! We still know almost nothing about the history of the island, the statue foot, the numbers, what happened to the hatch, what's up with desmond, the voices, the intercoms, the hanso foundation, adam and eve, the island location, the cable on the beach, the blah blah blah. And I've heard a hundred excellent well thought out well written theories, not of which really explain anything with any certainty. Sorry dudes, awesome podcast, but I'm just going to have to do with any show that just doesn't produce... wait for it to end, and watch it all at once on dvd ;)

6:00 PM  
Blogger phat_cartman said...

Oh, and to add yet another theory I think I know why they're breaking rocks in the hot sun all day. They're building a 5th toe for the incomplete statue of Ben's left foot.

6:01 PM  
Anonymous vargas said...

It occurred to me, Claude and Justin, that if you are so inclined between now and February that you could do a show or maybe two shows dealing with gathering all of the island mysteries, flashback clues and interconnections between Losties and The Others, solved and unsolved so that that we can tally up what answers we already have and what questions raised either about the island or about the characters that still need answering. Sort of like a fact-finding mission kind of show. Just a thought. enjoyed the show!

Victoria

7:55 PM  
Blogger Curt said...

Not to be a total poacher but the BR website has a bunch of the island mysteries catagorized already. The idea of reviewing what we do know in a show is a good one though.

7:43 AM  
Blogger Jen said...

"phat_cartman said...
Oh, and to add yet another theory I think I know why they're breaking rocks in the hot sun all day. They're building a 5th toe for the incomplete statue of Ben's left foot."

I love that! That's incredible.
Also-- Justin and Claude-- I got the impression that they are burning the trees b/c if they have to clear a big area to build 'something big,' they have to do something with the trees they rip out. I doubt an island the size of Alcatraz has a mulching facility. Haven't either of you ever worked construction?!

10:11 AM  
Blogger Claude said...

Jen,

The last time I worked construction I was forced to by these crazy guys, who in retrospect were just misunderstood, and we removed the trees on the island that we were on my having this big cloud of smoke explode them.

I too love the idea that the rocks have something to do with the statue, but you don't make or add to a statue by utilizing small rocks. You carve the thing out of a very big one.

10:16 AM  
Blogger Claude said...

Curt, maybe reviewing the island mysteries can be the topic of our joint podcast?

10:17 AM  
Blogger phat_cartman said...

Glad you liked my 'theory' Jen :)

Anyways, I guess I lied about waiting for the DVDs. I'm pathetic, and simply can't wait that long. I do think, however, as others pointed out, that a catalog of the mysteries would be useful. I get the feeling they've given us more pieces to the puzzle than we realize, hmmm...

Curt- forgive my ignorance, but what's the 'BR' website.

12:59 PM  
Blogger Justin said...

That would be theblackrock.org

I think it's a serious job to catalogue all of the mysteries. I'm not up to it myself. I wouldn't mind doing a theory podcast, though.

1:03 PM  
Anonymous 420brownie said...

Wow, that really turned out to be a great podcast. I'm not just blowin smoke up your ass, you guys are really good at going through each scene and really thinking and talking things through. It's not an easy thing to do.

Justin, you mentioned at some point that for some reason other podcasts don't mention you guys; I think probably the main reason is that it's nothing more than most people probably picked up a few podcasts last year, just kinda stuck with those, and never really looked that hard for others. I sorta stumbled across you guys a few weeks ago- whenever i started posting here- by subscribing to the Lost Network. Hopefully that will get you guys some MUCH deserved attention. I know Curt is doing his part.

phat_cartman- love your rock theory. Claude had to go and prove the thing wrong.

Claude- I'm totally convinced that Alex and Ben are working together. I think the Alex ambush was orchestrated by Ben to drive the point home to Kate and Sawyer that Sawyer's life was on the line. I think he even went as far as having Pickett let Sawyer know in so many terms that "tonight's the night, the night, oh, ohhhh". Maybe not, but possibly. Anyway, I think he had Alex tell Jack to try the door and probably had her open it. Having said that, in my mind, it makes his question to Juliette about if Alex asked about him, a test of some sort. If she says no, he knows at least that he can't trust her.

9:19 PM  
Blogger Justin said...

420,
you're right. i see a bunch of new podcasts this season, and i'm not anxious to check them out, because i already have my favorites. we definitely owe a lot of our new listenership to the lpn. i'm glad you found us. i'm too lazy to do promotion most of the time, so i really can't complain.

5:27 AM  
Blogger Jen said...

Is Vicki H. (the original LLD fan) still listening? I haven't heard from her in a while...

11:10 AM  
Blogger Claude said...

Jen,

Vicki just emailed us a few days ago. So she's still listening.

12:18 PM  
Blogger Claude said...

420Brownie,

I don't think Ben put Alex up to the ambush with the slingshot. I think that was Alex's own idea. I think after Pickett took her, she went to see Ben. Ben told her that he would tell her where Karl was if she did something for him: talk to Jack on the intercom.

I don't know if Ben held up his end of the bargain, though. The line about if Alex asked about Ben may have just been put in there so the audience can know that she went back to O-Town.

It's all really just a big hot mess.

12:22 PM  
Blogger apPaullo said...

Have to agree with the earlier comment. Anesthesia works REAL fast.

12:43 PM  
Blogger Curt said...

phat cartman: Silly me, I thought my mere name gave it all away. BR is euro chic for Black Rock as in theblackrock.org not to be confused with the often imitated but never duplicated Black Rock LOST Podcast. We're like the LLD (you with me?) for people in a hurry ;-)

1:58 PM  
Blogger Claude said...

Curt, that should be your official tag line.

The Black Rock Podcast
We're like the LLD, for people in a hurry.

And we'll use:

The Lost Lowdown
We're like the Black Rock Podcast, for people with plenty of time.

2:35 PM  
Blogger Claude said...

Appaullo,

Thanks for the seconding.

Please join our Frappr!

3:21 PM  
Blogger Curt said...

That's good Claude, I like it.

4:30 PM  
Blogger phat_cartman said...

So, nobody really made a big deal about Kate. Sure the flashbacks were lame, but it was still Kate-centric for a reason. Now that she and Sawyer have exchanged 'skack' she's probably going to be pregnant. With the Lost timeline, the show will probably be over before she starts showing. Same with Sun. Does anybody think they'll move up the timeline at some point and deal with those issues, or will they just fall by the wayside and be mostly forgotten? Normally in a drama, having a main character get pregnant is a pretty big deal, no?

10:18 AM  
Anonymous vicki h. said...

hi. guys. just wanted to wish you a Happy Thanksgiving.

7:37 PM  
Blogger Claude said...

Thank Vicki!

We hope all you guys had a good time over the holiday. But soon, it'll be back to work: indulging in LOST.

Justin and I are preparing our Season 2 retrospective, and we've got a few other little things in the works for you guys...

So stay tuned!

1:44 PM  

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